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McReggae wrote:tycho wrote:Siringi wrote:? Swala Nyeti
To dialogue or not to dialogue?
What to dialogue?
Who to dialogue?
Where to dialogue ?
How to dialogue ? @Siringi, dialogue is what makes us human. To refuse dialogue is to deny humanity. 'What to dialogue?' To answer this we must put the matter on historical perspective. Where is Kenya, relative to the demands of the people, and the times? From work to identity there are matters to be discussed. @Siringi, the state has gone global. What does this mean? Wanjiku has become intelligent and powerful thanks to the revolution in information and communication. How can she be given space to exercise her freedom, and flourish? All of us must be invited to this dialogue. Ideas of simple representation are false and unhelpful when conversation is about equitable power to generate wealth, to exercise political independence to the individual level here in Kibera, needs conversation even among my friends, my neighbors, even the little children. How? This is a multidimensional project. Like this thread, a meeting in statehouse, a wazua mbuzi, things like that. It's a win, win.  Leo nimesoma @Tycho's comment with tooth comb nikaelewa!!!! Nilikuwa America training. Virtual lakini.
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tycho wrote:McReggae wrote:tycho wrote:Siringi wrote:? Swala Nyeti
To dialogue or not to dialogue?
What to dialogue?
Who to dialogue?
Where to dialogue ?
How to dialogue ? @Siringi, dialogue is what makes us human. To refuse dialogue is to deny humanity. 'What to dialogue?' To answer this we must put the matter on historical perspective. Where is Kenya, relative to the demands of the people, and the times? From work to identity there are matters to be discussed. @Siringi, the state has gone global. What does this mean? Wanjiku has become intelligent and powerful thanks to the revolution in information and communication. How can she be given space to exercise her freedom, and flourish? All of us must be invited to this dialogue. Ideas of simple representation are false and unhelpful when conversation is about equitable power to generate wealth, to exercise political independence to the individual level here in Kibera, needs conversation even among my friends, my neighbors, even the little children. How? This is a multidimensional project. Like this thread, a meeting in statehouse, a wazua mbuzi, things like that. It's a win, win. Leo nimesoma @Tycho's comment with tooth comb nikaelewa!!!! Nilikuwa America training. Virtual lakini. aish hata mimi, is this really @tycho! Formal education will make you a living. Self-education will make you a fortune - Jim Rohn.
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The other day a dialogue on Wage Bill was called...solutions that were supposed to sort some of the issues raised were envisaged. I know you all know who opposed the dialogue and called it waste of time and demonstration of lack of ideas... 
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/8/2013 Posts: 2,517
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eX iTUMBI TWEETS reporting on Jubilee Parliamentary group Meeting at Statehouse Jana #JubileePG resolves 1. There will be no event for National dialogue, engagement through existing GOK structures. #JubileePG 2. No dialogue on IEBC or matters whose procedure is clearly set out in the constitution {unless you want referendum to chnage katiba}#JubileePG 3. The PG has urged Igembe South MP Mithika Linturi to drop motion on Devolution CS @AnneWaiguru ...There was a thread that dealt conclusively with this matter.... #JubileePG 4. Senators & MPs agree on a joint retreat. Dates to be announced later [ to continue internal dialogue ? #JubileePG 5. @RailaOdinga and @skmusyoka and other cord leaders welcome to engage the President on any issue at State House and a cup of coffee as old friends.... "😖😡KQ makes money for everyone except the shareholder 😏😏 " overheard in Wazua
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Rahatupu wrote:tycho wrote:Siringi wrote:? Swala Nyeti
To dialogue or not to dialogue?
What to dialogue?
Who to dialogue?
Where to dialogue ?
How to dialogue ? @Siringi, dialogue is what makes us human. To refuse dialogue is to deny humanity. 'What to dialogue?' To answer this we must put the matter on historical perspective. Where is Kenya, relative to the demands of the people, and the times? From work to identity there are matters to be discussed. @Siringi, the state has gone global. What does this mean? Wanjiku has become intelligent and powerful thanks to the revolution in information and communication. How can she be given space to exercise her freedom, and flourish? All of us must be invited to this dialogue. Ideas of simple representation are false and unhelpful when conversation is about equitable power to generate wealth, to exercise political independence to the individual level here in Kibera, needs conversation even among my friends, my neighbors, even the little children. How? This is a multidimensional project. Like this thread, a meeting in statehouse, a wazua mbuzi, things like that. It's a win, win. . Another season of domo domo and no substance, njaa blabla..... talk and more talk never gets us there either. If they have alternative solutions to the said problems that bedevil the government, they can table the same without theatrics and grandstanding. Let them present their ideas in university talks, bunge la wananchi, senate, parliament, gumzo mtaani and dialogue will have happened. They have the power to talk but not to act...... the majority have their way while the minority have their say. I understand what you're saying. And it's true that we need no 'theatrics'. But looking at the rally, it has political value, and a crucial one at that. The local mwananchi now knows that there's something like 'national dialogue'. Now let all conversation be visible from the top. The President gains, and what's more, there's still room for competition. Within a short while Africa, and the African will be shining like the sun. Africa, defines all of us. It's the nucleus of our being. It defines Kenya (and vice versa). Engaging in dialogue returns as to this beginning. This is an opportunity worth taking.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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washiku wrote:The other day a dialogue on Wage Bill was called...solutions that were supposed to sort some of the issues raised were envisaged. I know you all know who opposed the dialogue and called it waste of time and demonstration of lack of ideas... This is politics. Every opportunity has its peculiarities.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Siringi wrote:eX iTUMBI TWEETS reporting on Jubilee Parliamentary group Meeting at Statehouse Jana
#JubileePG resolves 1. There will be no event for National dialogue, engagement through existing GOK structures.
#JubileePG 2. No dialogue on IEBC or matters whose procedure is clearly set out in the constitution {unless you want referendum to chnage katiba}
#JubileePG 3. The PG has urged Igembe South MP Mithika Linturi to drop motion on Devolution CS @AnneWaiguru ...There was a thread that dealt conclusively with this matter....
#JubileePG 4. Senators & MPs agree on a joint retreat. Dates to be announced later
[to continue internal dialogue ?
#JubileePG 5. @RailaOdinga and @skmusyoka and other cord leaders welcome to engage the President on any issue at State House
and a cup of coffee as old friends....
It all depends on the ideas at play. Cord have to lead in this dialogue, and even more important, they must be able to accept high stake trade offs. They must have a revolutionary strategy.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/8/2013 Posts: 2,517
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Rank: Member Joined: 8/6/2013 Posts: 640
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tycho wrote:masukuma wrote:dunkang wrote:Njaa imesukuma wana-CORD mpaka they are begging indirectly.
Ati Dialogue! ON WHAT? WITH WHOM? WHERE?
CORD imetuangusha sana. They should be busy ensuring public jobs are "awarded" fairly, public funded projects are "distributed" fairly, etc. Lakini ni hii mambo ya dialogue, HII NI NJAA imewasukuma! Ni Njaa!! Si ndiyo! Mi mwenyewe niko njaa mbaya. Hahahaha! Njaa ni dhambi? Ama ni mbaya sana hata hamtaki kuisikia, na kuiona? Sasa basi nifungieni huku! Hata wazungu wakuzungusha mtaani hakuna! Tuko njaa! Eish, Buda boss, ni wewe Tycho? Tuseme unaweza bonga kama msee wa kawaida. Its all good.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 1,982 Location: matano manne
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tycho wrote:Rahatupu wrote:tycho wrote:Siringi wrote:? Swala Nyeti
To dialogue or not to dialogue?
What to dialogue?
Who to dialogue?
Where to dialogue ?
How to dialogue ? @Siringi, dialogue is what makes us human. To refuse dialogue is to deny humanity. 'What to dialogue?' To answer this we must put the matter on historical perspective. Where is Kenya, relative to the demands of the people, and the times? From work to identity there are matters to be discussed. @Siringi, the state has gone global. What does this mean? Wanjiku has become intelligent and powerful thanks to the revolution in information and communication. How can she be given space to exercise her freedom, and flourish? All of us must be invited to this dialogue. Ideas of simple representation are false and unhelpful when conversation is about equitable power to generate wealth, to exercise political independence to the individual level here in Kibera, needs conversation even among my friends, my neighbors, even the little children. How? This is a multidimensional project. Like this thread, a meeting in statehouse, a wazua mbuzi, things like that. It's a win, win. . Another season of domo domo and no substance, njaa blabla..... talk and more talk never gets us there either. If they have alternative solutions to the said problems that bedevil the government, they can table the same without theatrics and grandstanding. Let them present their ideas in university talks, bunge la wananchi, senate, parliament, gumzo mtaani and dialogue will have happened. They have the power to talk but not to act...... the majority have their way while the minority have their say. I understand what you're saying. And it's true that we need no 'theatrics'. But looking at the rally, it has political value, and a crucial one at that. The local mwananchi now knows that there's something like 'national dialogue'. Now let all conversation be visible from the top. The President gains, and what's more, there's still room for competition. Within a short while Africa, and the African will be shining like the sun. Africa, defines all of us. It's the nucleus of our being. It defines Kenya (and vice versa). Engaging in dialogue returns as to this beginning. This is an opportunity worth taking. , @Tycho, the most important thing is reading between the lines, in this case its a crafty way of seeking relevance by some of our leaders, a forum to back track on their earlier vows to respect the outcome of the 2013 elections and move on.... Like the dialogue on the wage bill how far did it take us?? ... eh mere talk and more talk.... call dialogue on terrorism, they will talk some more. IMHO, the ultimate responsibility lies with the gourment of the day (which is being painted as illegitimate) by the CORD brigade. Its the gourment's duty to provide security, grow the economy, fight corruption et cetra (of course with our input as well). The nitty gritty of how they get it right is open to suggestions from all and sundry. If they get it wrong, they can only be corrected or removed from office via a general election 2017. Any other way is illegal, unconstitutional and impractical. All said and done, the CORD way of asking for space for their input on critical matters of state craft raises critical questions on their sincerity and honesty. Hence some allude that they are seeking nusu mkate, njaa imezidi!!
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