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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/26/2007 Posts: 6,514
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The proverbial phantom enemy is back...and he has to be from another tribe.... Wazua IQ levels dropping faster than Kimaiyo's! Well said accelriskconsult!!! Business opportunities are like buses,there's always another one coming
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/17/2008 Posts: 23,365 Location: Nairobi
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accelriskconsult wrote:murchr wrote:accelriskconsult wrote:Murchr you started connecting dots last week on a different thread. I recommend that you go to the nearest police station and avail the evidence you have so that the suspects are apprehended.
I demand nothing but protection from the government having given up the right to bear arms and agreeing to being governed and paying my taxes. When a government gives up its monopoly on violence, it also gives up its right to rule and govern.
Let the Police move with haste, arrest whoever it is that they suspect of being behind the bombings, arraign the suspect in court and have him behind bars for the rest of his life. Whether American, Chinese, Giriama, hata kama ni baba. I don't care, all I want is security. I am not interested in listening to 'suspicions', skulduggery and spin to explain away the governments failures.
If there is any Wazuan with the information some people here claim to be having, let that info be availed to the rightful state agencies. Where do you live Mars? If this is too complex 4 you spare us the ignorance What does it matter where I live? Christopher Muchiri, You have been insinuating that there is a force unconnected to Al Shabaab that is responsible for terror attacks since last week, I have challenged you severally to be the patriot you claim to be and report at the nearest police station. Of course you have not because you are just an apologist trying to deflect attention from a government that is fumbling, befuddled and failing in its core mandate. Last I checked Kenya has the NIS......what are their reports on the same? ..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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accelriskconsult wrote:murchr wrote:accelriskconsult wrote:Murchr you started connecting dots last week on a different thread. I recommend that you go to the nearest police station and avail the evidence you have so that the suspects are apprehended.
I demand nothing but protection from the government having given up the right to bear arms and agreeing to being governed and paying my taxes. When a government gives up its monopoly on violence, it also gives up its right to rule and govern.
Let the Police move with haste, arrest whoever it is that they suspect of being behind the bombings, arraign the suspect in court and have him behind bars for the rest of his life. Whether American, Chinese, Giriama, hata kama ni baba. I don't care, all I want is security. I am not interested in listening to 'suspicions', skulduggery and spin to explain away the governments failures.
If there is any Wazuan with the information some people here claim to be having, let that info be availed to the rightful state agencies. Where do you live Mars? If this is too complex 4 you spare us the ignorance What does it matter where I live? Christopher Muchiri, You have been insinuating that there is a force unconnected to Al Shabaab that is responsible for terror attacks since last week, I have challenged you severally to be the patriot you claim to be and report at the nearest police station. Of course you have not because you are just an apologist trying to deflect attention from a government that is fumbling, befuddled and failing in its core mandate. Your lack of knowledge in geopolitrics is just wanting. Do you think that the police are not aware? Have you watched the latest hypothesis by Mutahi. Tafathali saa zingine tutumie akili political affiliations notwithstanding. Is it so hard to fathom? If anything this is not the first time this has happened anywhere in the world. You just need to research and not wait to be fed every other time. Si juzi walikuwa Ukraine? "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Member Joined: 4/2/2011 Posts: 629 Location: Nai
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murchr wrote:accelriskconsult wrote:murchr wrote:accelriskconsult wrote:Murchr you started connecting dots last week on a different thread. I recommend that you go to the nearest police station and avail the evidence you have so that the suspects are apprehended.
I demand nothing but protection from the government having given up the right to bear arms and agreeing to being governed and paying my taxes. When a government gives up its monopoly on violence, it also gives up its right to rule and govern.
Let the Police move with haste, arrest whoever it is that they suspect of being behind the bombings, arraign the suspect in court and have him behind bars for the rest of his life. Whether American, Chinese, Giriama, hata kama ni baba. I don't care, all I want is security. I am not interested in listening to 'suspicions', skulduggery and spin to explain away the governments failures.
If there is any Wazuan with the information some people here claim to be having, let that info be availed to the rightful state agencies. Where do you live Mars? If this is too complex 4 you spare us the ignorance What does it matter where I live? Christopher Muchiri, You have been insinuating that there is a force unconnected to Al Shabaab that is responsible for terror attacks since last week, I have challenged you severally to be the patriot you claim to be and report at the nearest police station. Of course you have not because you are just an apologist trying to deflect attention from a government that is fumbling, befuddled and failing in its core mandate. Your lack of knowledge in geopolitrics is just wanting. Do you think that the police are not aware? Have you watched the latest hypothesis by Mutahi. Tafathali saa zingine tutumie akili political affiliations notwithstanding. Is it so hard to fathom? If anything this is not the first time this has happened anywhere in the world. You just need to research and not wait to be fed every other time. Si juzi walikuwa Ukraine? Seeing as it were that you are master of geopolitics, and I having religiously read your posts on the same on Wazua for quite sometime, I should have picked a few pointers from you. But what do I get? Drivel! That is all it is that your poison pen is spewing. So let me summarise it for you; 1. We let terrorists into our country because we are corrupt 2. We are corrupt because the tone at the top sets the stage for corruption 3. We reset relations with our global partners because the West refused to tolerate our corruption while China did 4. We butcher our wildlife and the government looks away because we can pay KWS officers to stay silent 5. Because our wildlife stock dwindled, tourists started staying away and tourist numbers declined by 15% in 2013. 6. Because tourist numbers fell, revenue also fell and we increased park fees by imposing VAT on park fees. 7. Thus our tourism sector got caught in a vicious cycle with tourism numbers falling and Tanzania benefiting from our folly. 8. Because of 1 to 4 above, poaching and drug trade, terrorists can get all the funding they need Now, those are facts that you can take to the casino. And before you come back here and start posting China this China that, I don't believe our country should rely on any external partner whether the IMF, China or even the West. Do you know that at least 15% of the Sh 35 billion (from Kenyan tax payers sweat) used to build the Thika Superhighway probably went into private pockets?
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/27/2012 Posts: 851 Location: Nairobi
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You would think Kenya is the richest country in all of Africa.
Who is doing Ethiopia's projects? How about Angola? Has Britain sabotaged them?
We, Kenyans are to blame for the mess we are in. Tribalism and corruption keeps all crap afloat in this country.
No amount of blaming the West will change the reality on the ground. We sold citizenship, at a fee we allow questionable characters to live freely with impunity [the likes of Arturs], criminals go to bed with the security personnel and when shit hits the fan, all we cry is SABOTAGE!
Until the day we'll be a tad ethical in our conduct and put the country before self,we will keep on scraping the barrel bottom.
Ignoring facts doesn't change them.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/2/2009 Posts: 2,458 Location: Nairobi
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accelriskconsult wrote:murchr wrote:accelriskconsult wrote:murchr wrote:accelriskconsult wrote:Murchr you started connecting dots last week on a different thread. I recommend that you go to the nearest police station and avail the evidence you have so that the suspects are apprehended.
I demand nothing but protection from the government having given up the right to bear arms and agreeing to being governed and paying my taxes. When a government gives up its monopoly on violence, it also gives up its right to rule and govern.
Let the Police move with haste, arrest whoever it is that they suspect of being behind the bombings, arraign the suspect in court and have him behind bars for the rest of his life. Whether American, Chinese, Giriama, hata kama ni baba. I don't care, all I want is security. I am not interested in listening to 'suspicions', skulduggery and spin to explain away the governments failures.
If there is any Wazuan with the information some people here claim to be having, let that info be availed to the rightful state agencies. Where do you live Mars? If this is too complex 4 you spare us the ignorance What does it matter where I live? Christopher Muchiri, You have been insinuating that there is a force unconnected to Al Shabaab that is responsible for terror attacks since last week, I have challenged you severally to be the patriot you claim to be and report at the nearest police station. Of course you have not because you are just an apologist trying to deflect attention from a government that is fumbling, befuddled and failing in its core mandate. Your lack of knowledge in geopolitrics is just wanting. Do you think that the police are not aware? Have you watched the latest hypothesis by Mutahi. Tafathali saa zingine tutumie akili political affiliations notwithstanding. Is it so hard to fathom? If anything this is not the first time this has happened anywhere in the world. You just need to research and not wait to be fed every other time. Si juzi walikuwa Ukraine? Seeing as it were that you are master of geopolitics, and I having religiously read your posts on the same on Wazua for quite sometime, I should have picked a few pointers from you. But what do I get? Drivel! That is all it is that your poison pen is spewing. So let me summarise it for you; 1. We let terrorists into our country because we are corrupt 2. We are corrupt because the tone at the top sets the stage for corruption 3. We reset relations with our global partners because the West refused to tolerate our corruption while China did 4. We butcher our wildlife and the government looks away because we can pay KWS officers to stay silent 5. Because our wildlife stock dwindled, tourists started staying away and tourist numbers declined by 15% in 2013. 6. Because tourist numbers fell, revenue also fell and we increased park fees by imposing VAT on park fees. 7. Thus our tourism sector got caught in a vicious cycle with tourism numbers falling and Tanzania benefiting from our folly. 8. Because of 1 to 4 above, poaching and drug trade, terrorists can get all the funding they need Now, those are facts that you can take to the casino. And before you come back here and start posting China this China that, I don't believe our country should rely on any external partner whether the IMF, China or even the West. Do you know that at least 15% of the Sh 35 billion (from Kenyan tax payers sweat) used to build the Thika Superhighway probably went into private pockets? And the road has not solved our congestion problem at all. Any Thika road users. Thank you tenderprenuers sometimes i think some Wazuans are bureaucratic remnants of the Kanu regime. smart but sycophants. reminds me of a quote "We are breeding a nation of sycophants. Sycophants flaunting their hypocrisy to absent minded elders."
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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mkeiy wrote:You would think Kenya is the richest country in all of Africa.
Who is doing Ethiopia's projects? How about Angola? Has Britain sabotaged them?
We, Kenyans are to blame for the mess we are in. Tribalism and corruption keeps all crap afloat in this country.
No amount of blaming the West will change the reality on the ground. We sold citizenship, at a fee we allow questionable characters to live freely with impunity [the likes of Arturs], criminals go to bed with the security personnel and when shit hits the fan, all we cry is SABOTAGE!
Until the day we'll be a tad ethical in our conduct and put the country before self,we will keep on scraping the barrel bottom.
Ignoring facts doesn't change them. Angola and Ethiopia were NEVER at any time in history British colonies. #Geopolitics I wish Katama Mkangi was alive "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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poundfoolish wrote:accelriskconsult wrote:murchr wrote:accelriskconsult wrote:murchr wrote:accelriskconsult wrote:Murchr you started connecting dots last week on a different thread. I recommend that you go to the nearest police station and avail the evidence you have so that the suspects are apprehended.
I demand nothing but protection from the government having given up the right to bear arms and agreeing to being governed and paying my taxes. When a government gives up its monopoly on violence, it also gives up its right to rule and govern.
Let the Police move with haste, arrest whoever it is that they suspect of being behind the bombings, arraign the suspect in court and have him behind bars for the rest of his life. Whether American, Chinese, Giriama, hata kama ni baba. I don't care, all I want is security. I am not interested in listening to 'suspicions', skulduggery and spin to explain away the governments failures.
If there is any Wazuan with the information some people here claim to be having, let that info be availed to the rightful state agencies. Where do you live Mars? If this is too complex 4 you spare us the ignorance What does it matter where I live? Christopher Muchiri, You have been insinuating that there is a force unconnected to Al Shabaab that is responsible for terror attacks since last week, I have challenged you severally to be the patriot you claim to be and report at the nearest police station. Of course you have not because you are just an apologist trying to deflect attention from a government that is fumbling, befuddled and failing in its core mandate. Your lack of knowledge in geopolitrics is just wanting. Do you think that the police are not aware? Have you watched the latest hypothesis by Mutahi. Tafathali saa zingine tutumie akili political affiliations notwithstanding. Is it so hard to fathom? If anything this is not the first time this has happened anywhere in the world. You just need to research and not wait to be fed every other time. Si juzi walikuwa Ukraine? Seeing as it were that you are master of geopolitics, and I having religiously read your posts on the same on Wazua for quite sometime, I should have picked a few pointers from you. But what do I get? Drivel! That is all it is that your poison pen is spewing. So let me summarise it for you; 1. We let terrorists into our country because we are corrupt 2. We are corrupt because the tone at the top sets the stage for corruption 3. We reset relations with our global partners because the West refused to tolerate our corruption while China did 4. We butcher our wildlife and the government looks away because we can pay KWS officers to stay silent 5. Because our wildlife stock dwindled, tourists started staying away and tourist numbers declined by 15% in 2013. 6. Because tourist numbers fell, revenue also fell and we increased park fees by imposing VAT on park fees. 7. Thus our tourism sector got caught in a vicious cycle with tourism numbers falling and Tanzania benefiting from our folly. 8. Because of 1 to 4 above, poaching and drug trade, terrorists can get all the funding they need Now, those are facts that you can take to the casino. And before you come back here and start posting China this China that, I don't believe our country should rely on any external partner whether the IMF, China or even the West. Do you know that at least 15% of the Sh 35 billion (from Kenyan tax payers sweat) used to build the Thika Superhighway probably went into private pockets? And the road has not solved our congestion problem at all. Any Thika road users. Thank you tenderprenuers sometimes i think some Wazuans are bureaucratic remnants of the Kanu regime. smart but sycophants. reminds me of a quote "We are breeding a nation of sycophants. Sycophants flaunting their hypocrisy to absent minded elders." Corruption is so much in the west as is in the east, kwani where have these govt thieves been hiding your money? Is it not western banks using western ghost companies.... The no. 2 market for ivory is ....... USA, they will never address the issue "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Member Joined: 4/2/2011 Posts: 629 Location: Nai
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murchr wrote:poundfoolish wrote:accelriskconsult wrote:murchr wrote:accelriskconsult wrote:murchr wrote:accelriskconsult wrote:Murchr you started connecting dots last week on a different thread. I recommend that you go to the nearest police station and avail the evidence you have so that the suspects are apprehended.
I demand nothing but protection from the government having given up the right to bear arms and agreeing to being governed and paying my taxes. When a government gives up its monopoly on violence, it also gives up its right to rule and govern.
Let the Police move with haste, arrest whoever it is that they suspect of being behind the bombings, arraign the suspect in court and have him behind bars for the rest of his life. Whether American, Chinese, Giriama, hata kama ni baba. I don't care, all I want is security. I am not interested in listening to 'suspicions', skulduggery and spin to explain away the governments failures.
If there is any Wazuan with the information some people here claim to be having, let that info be availed to the rightful state agencies. Where do you live Mars? If this is too complex 4 you spare us the ignorance What does it matter where I live? Christopher Muchiri, You have been insinuating that there is a force unconnected to Al Shabaab that is responsible for terror attacks since last week, I have challenged you severally to be the patriot you claim to be and report at the nearest police station. Of course you have not because you are just an apologist trying to deflect attention from a government that is fumbling, befuddled and failing in its core mandate. Your lack of knowledge in geopolitrics is just wanting. Do you think that the police are not aware? Have you watched the latest hypothesis by Mutahi. Tafathali saa zingine tutumie akili political affiliations notwithstanding. Is it so hard to fathom? If anything this is not the first time this has happened anywhere in the world. You just need to research and not wait to be fed every other time. Si juzi walikuwa Ukraine? Seeing as it were that you are master of geopolitics, and I having religiously read your posts on the same on Wazua for quite sometime, I should have picked a few pointers from you. But what do I get? Drivel! That is all it is that your poison pen is spewing. So let me summarise it for you; 1. We let terrorists into our country because we are corrupt 2. We are corrupt because the tone at the top sets the stage for corruption 3. We reset relations with our global partners because the West refused to tolerate our corruption while China did 4. We butcher our wildlife and the government looks away because we can pay KWS officers to stay silent 5. Because our wildlife stock dwindled, tourists started staying away and tourist numbers declined by 15% in 2013. 6. Because tourist numbers fell, revenue also fell and we increased park fees by imposing VAT on park fees. 7. Thus our tourism sector got caught in a vicious cycle with tourism numbers falling and Tanzania benefiting from our folly. 8. Because of 1 to 4 above, poaching and drug trade, terrorists can get all the funding they need Now, those are facts that you can take to the casino. And before you come back here and start posting China this China that, I don't believe our country should rely on any external partner whether the IMF, China or even the West. Do you know that at least 15% of the Sh 35 billion (from Kenyan tax payers sweat) used to build the Thika Superhighway probably went into private pockets? And the road has not solved our congestion problem at all. Any Thika road users. Thank you tenderprenuers sometimes i think some Wazuans are bureaucratic remnants of the Kanu regime. smart but sycophants. reminds me of a quote "We are breeding a nation of sycophants. Sycophants flaunting their hypocrisy to absent minded elders." Corruption is so much in the west as is in the east, kwani where have these govt thieves been hiding your money? Is it not western banks using western ghost companies.... The no. 2 market for ivory is ....... USA, they will never address the issue 1. Of course the West is also corrupt but there are the likes of Madoff in jail serving lengthy sentences to prove that they try to fight it. Just because the West is corrupt doesn't excuse us from calling for higher standards from our own. Corruption in Kenya hurts Wanjiku more than it hurts Joe Common in the US of A. 2. Your post on Angola and Ethiopia makes mockery of your argument that our economy is being sabotaged by Britain. Our problems have little to do with geopolitics except in that our leaders tell us that we are facing East because the China wont ask us about our corruption. And our intellectuals are saying yes to the East. So we the holloi polloi join in this chorus confirming that we have given our leaders and political rent seekers a blank cheque to eat the fat of the land from our coffers. There is no other reason why we would applaud and defend the China contracts axis with such gusto. You are probably right that colonialism is a factor but only in that what we learnt from the colonialists is to take and take and take rather than grow, nurture, take a long term view to the harvest, after all our average life expectancy is probably no more than the digits that form the interest rate that either China or the West will charge us on loans. We learnt and perfected how to colonise our brethren condemning them to die of malaria and shrapnel from grenades-causes that are easily preventable. When we couldn't arrest them terrorists, we reprised the tactics of Patrick Renison and unleashed our very own 'Operation Anvil' in 2014. Only this time we targeted the Somalis. Finally, Weep not that Katama Mkangi is dead for Dr Ali Mazrui, Professor Peter Kagwanja, Ugandan Prof Mahmood Mamdani and probably Mkangi's son, Dr Bobby Mkangi are probably more tuned to geopolitics than Katama ever was.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 4/16/2014 Posts: 1,420 Location: Bohemian Grove
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accelriskconsult wrote:whiteowl wrote:My observation is that Britain & the rest of the Western powers likes championing projects centered around democracy n good governance. On face value they are well intended but my biggest concern is how to quantify them. China on the other hand is more infrastructure oriented with way less preconditions. With this sabotage issue, Britain is acting like a frog that prevents a cow from drinking water. They're not funding vision 2030 mega projects yet acting jilted when other countries offer us their money.
ps. I've no political inclinations. For the umpteenth time, I will ask for prove that the West is sabotaging Kenya's economy. How do you expect tourists and foreign investors to trust the government and come over to Kenya when the messages the government and its sycophants are sending across are as follows; 1. The UK and US are jealous of the relationship between Kenya and China 2. The West is responsible for terror attacks 3. The opposition is responsible for terror attacks 4. The Al Shabaab is attacking us but we are winning the war on terror The inconsistent messages are interpreted to mean that; a) the government and its sycophants do not know who the true enemy is and therefore cannot be possibly expected to protect any would be visitors b) the government is seeking cheap sympathy instead of delivering public goods such as food and security. Even before grenades started exploding every where and scaring tourists away, the government had already introduced VAT on park fees and its top honchos appeared to be protecting poachers. Now that is evidence of economic sabotage- by the government! The only evidence you'll ever get of economic sabotage is lost jobs/income and economic slowdown. As for the guys pulling the strings, you can't pin anything substantial on them. This however doesn't mean insecurity/terrorism isn't a challenge. It is a big challenge on whichever side of the political/economic divide one might be. Also the economic sabotage isn't a blanket cause for all our economic/security woes. There are lots of facets coz they're complex issues.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/18/2008 Posts: 3,434 Location: Kerugoya
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All said and done, there are few virtual citizens suggesting solutions. Robert Shaw has penned (keyboarded) an article that summarizes the situation so far and suggests some possible solutions. Any other virtual solutions doing so out there? Robert Shaw's virtual article
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/27/2012 Posts: 851 Location: Nairobi
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murchr wrote:mkeiy wrote:You would think Kenya is the richest country in all of Africa.
Who is doing Ethiopia's projects? How about Angola? Has Britain sabotaged them?
We, Kenyans are to blame for the mess we are in. Tribalism and corruption keeps all crap afloat in this country.
No amount of blaming the West will change the reality on the ground. We sold citizenship, at a fee we allow questionable characters to live freely with impunity [the likes of Arturs], criminals go to bed with the security personnel and when shit hits the fan, all we cry is SABOTAGE!
Until the day we'll be a tad ethical in our conduct and put the country before self,we will keep on scraping the barrel bottom.
Ignoring facts doesn't change them. Angola and Ethiopia were NEVER at any time in history British colonies. #Geopolitics I wish Katama Mkangi was alive True they were never colonies of Britain but they've to greater degree been facing West before they turned to East. Meles was a darling to the West. Angola has Portugal yet they are not crying sabotage because they have since put some order in their houses. There are no blasts every now and then in Addis even though Ethiopia shares a border with Somali which is three times that of Kenya. In Kenya if you want cheap imports,one uses the Somalis. We've made them lords and lording over usthey will do. How do all those explosives get in? BRITAIN? @murchir Are you saying Britain should let its citizen get bombed in a country where human life is not valued? For what? And thats after the First man said categorically,we don't need the west. Its high time we became ethical. We scratch their back,they scratch ours. Hii mambo ya pissing on people backs and expecting them to scratch ours ni UJINGA!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/17/2008 Posts: 23,365 Location: Nairobi
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mkeiy wrote:murchr wrote:mkeiy wrote:You would think Kenya is the richest country in all of Africa.
Who is doing Ethiopia's projects? How about Angola? Has Britain sabotaged them?
We, Kenyans are to blame for the mess we are in. Tribalism and corruption keeps all crap afloat in this country.
No amount of blaming the West will change the reality on the ground. We sold citizenship, at a fee we allow questionable characters to live freely with impunity [the likes of Arturs], criminals go to bed with the security personnel and when shit hits the fan, all we cry is SABOTAGE!
Until the day we'll be a tad ethical in our conduct and put the country before self,we will keep on scraping the barrel bottom.
Ignoring facts doesn't change them. Angola and Ethiopia were NEVER at any time in history British colonies. #Geopolitics I wish Katama Mkangi was alive True they were never colonies of Britain but they've to greater degree been facing West before they turned to East. Meles was a darling to the West. Angola has Portugal yet they are not crying sabotage because they have since put some order in their houses. There are no blasts every now and then in Addis even though Ethiopia shares a border with Somali which is three times that of Kenya. In Kenya if you want cheap imports,one uses the Somalis. We've made them lords and lording over usthey will do. How do all those explosives get in? BRITAIN? @murchir Are you saying Britain should let its citizen get bombed in a country where human life is not valued? For what? And thats after the First man said categorically,we don't need the west. Its high time we became ethical. We scratch their back,they scratch ours. Hii mambo ya pissing on people backs and expecting them to scratch ours ni UJINGA!  ..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/20/2007 Posts: 4,432
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What worries me most about these current situation is the undying need for this gov't to be a step behind in terms of policy. We warned on corruption leading to terrorism, which leads to killing of tourism. Now they are busy talking about the Brits and economic sabotage. Last week they were saying raira, the week before that they said al-shabab. They are still busy looking for the person to blame for their ineptitude. They are forgetting that the death of tourism in 2014 is a done deal. That horse ain't coming back to the barn. The next problem is the biggest problem. Jobs They aren't talking about that at all. Jobs are going to be lost. Very many jobs. What is the gov't doing right now to stop the mess that is coming of job losses across ALL sectors in the economy? Or are they planning on sending murchr and co to wazua to tell us that the Chinese are taking our jobs? And creating another thread about Americans spying on Shina. Kweli now the job description for Jubilee is to fight Shina vs USA battles on wazua? This will be a gov't that came in with a promise of more jobs and probably lord over the worst jobs calamity in recent times. Jose: If I make it through this thug life, I'll see you one day. The Lord is the only way to stop the hurt.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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accelriskconsult wrote:
2. Your post on Angola and Ethiopia makes mockery of your argument that our economy is being sabotaged by Britain.
Our problems have little to do with geopolitics except in that our leaders tell us that we are facing East because the China wont ask us about our corruption. Our problems have little to do with geopolitics except in that our leaders tell us that we are facing East because the China wont ask us about our corruption.
And our intellectuals are saying yes to the East. So we the holloi polloi join in this chorus confirming that we have given our leaders and political rent seekers a blank cheque to eat the fat of the land from our coffers. There is no other reason why we would applaud and defend the China contracts axis with such gusto.
Weep not that Katama Mkangi is dead for Dr Ali Mazrui, Professor Peter Kagwanja, Ugandan Prof Mahmood Mamdani and probably Mkangi's son, Dr Bobby Mkangi are probably more tuned to geopolitics than Katama ever was.
When I tell you you lack dearly in geopolitics i mean and id advise you pop your eyes out more because such arguments are laughable.
1. Melez was the first to turn to China b4 any other African leader did, reason China and Ethiopia share a culture "socialism which is close to communism" The only reason Ethiopia is greatly RESPECTED by the west is coz of its relation to Israel. Now thats another topic you's never understand so i'll leave it to that.
2. You seem not to note that Ethiopia borders "Puntland and Somaliland more" Let me give you some homework go find out where they positioned in the map maybe that will explain why Ethiopia is more safe than Kenya. I say more because i want to ignore th Orgaden war. And find out which are the trouble spots in Somalia.
3. If you have been following the economic news in the world you will notice that Angola has been buying out Portugal another thread here in wazua will indicate that to you. Google might also help do a minor search, dunia ni duara do yu think the French and British will sleep and wait for this same ridicule? OH HELL NO! they will F**k your a**s if they have to. Remember their theme songs "Britain shall never ever be slaves" Truth is the wealth transfer is scaring the hell out of the west. If you live in America the amount of time the news channels and panel put in discussing China is actually unbelievable.
4. Ask yourself why Europe felt that it would need China more if it were to get out of debt and save their economy.
Kagwanja, the Ugandan, will NEVER get to where Mkangi was. Unfortunately to you Bobby is more of a lawyer and a constitutional one for that matter than what his Father was. Katama was more oral, and his ability to trigger the thought process is unmatched. RIP Prof. I recommend "Tools of exploitation" By mazruimkey wrote:@murchir Are you saying Britain should let its citizen get bombed in a country where human life is not valued? For what? And thats after the First man said categorically,we don't need the west.
Its high time we became ethical. We scratch their back,they scratch ours.
Hii mambo ya pissing on people backs and expecting them to scratch ours ni UJINGA! It is the responsibility of the British govt to keep its residents safe. However, its also its responsibility as a "friend" to share information when in crisis. Let me ask, what hotel or tourist has been attacked in the recent days for them to feel so unsecure? Na kwani those being left behind are not people? "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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murchr wrote:It is the responsibility of the British govt to keep its residents safe. However, its also its responsibility as a "friend" to share information when in crisis. Let me ask, what hotel or tourist has been attacked in the recent days for them to feel so unsecure? Na kwani those being left behind are not people? [/color] @murchr, I believe they have their priorities right, PREVENTING rather than CURING. Waiting for attacks to happen then evacuate is knee-jerk reaction, an area we Kenyans specialize on. Somebody has to die for us to believe the seriousness of a threat. Otherwise it wasn't. We don't see far. We should start seeing far. We need to start being patriotic. Before Angola became "rich" to bail out Portugal, they were poor. They didn't try pissing every nation out there. The fact that Ethiopia didn't get colonized and the way they "protect" their statehood/nationhood tells you their character. How about back here in the farm? Man is busy eating man. We are poor and the "friend" you are talking about, we are ever pissing them and telling them we don't need them. How then do we expect them to treat us as friends. The culture of IMPUNITY is so entrenched in us such that we believe we can piss nations of, and have them back at our beckon. On a personal level, things don't work that way. On a national level it won't work. Aside the back and forth,we Kenyans need to be patriotic and put nation first. Secondly, we need to be ethical, not-so-uncouth as we are used. Within our borders and without. We also need to stop having this sense of invincibility and indispensability. No nation is invincible, no nation is indispensable. We live in a community of nations. We need to treat them with respect and decorum for them to reciprocate. Good begets good. Rot begets rot. And rotting we are!
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So its about pissing now. I like your parting shot every nation should respect the other and that should cut across in all levels. One should not treat the other as if they are their God. We are poor yes but we should be respected 4 us to respect. If indeed they are proactive why did they let that Nigerian to kill their soldier xet Kenya had warned them of the dude? "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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whiteowl wrote:accelriskconsult wrote:whiteowl wrote:My observation is that Britain & the rest of the Western powers likes championing projects centered around democracy n good governance. On face value they are well intended but my biggest concern is how to quantify them. China on the other hand is more infrastructure oriented with way less preconditions. With this sabotage issue, Britain is acting like a frog that prevents a cow from drinking water. They're not funding vision 2030 mega projects yet acting jilted when other countries offer us their money.
ps. I've no political inclinations. For the umpteenth time, I will ask for prove that the West is sabotaging Kenya's economy. How do you expect tourists and foreign investors to trust the government and come over to Kenya when the messages the government and its sycophants are sending across are as follows; 1. The UK and US are jealous of the relationship between Kenya and China 2. The West is responsible for terror attacks 3. The opposition is responsible for terror attacks 4. The Al Shabaab is attacking us but we are winning the war on terror The inconsistent messages are interpreted to mean that; a) the government and its sycophants do not know who the true enemy is and therefore cannot be possibly expected to protect any would be visitors b) the government is seeking cheap sympathy instead of delivering public goods such as food and security. Even before grenades started exploding every where and scaring tourists away, the government had already introduced VAT on park fees and its top honchos appeared to be protecting poachers. Now that is evidence of economic sabotage- by the government! The only evidence you'll ever get of economic sabotage is lost jobs/income and economic slowdown. As for the guys pulling the strings, you can't pin anything substantial on them. This however doesn't mean insecurity/terrorism isn't a challenge. It is a big challenge on whichever side of the political/economic divide one might be. Also the economic sabotage isn't a blanket cause for all our economic/security woes. There are lots of facets coz they're complex issues. Also look for a copy of this book to see how economic sabotage is done in other parts of the world.
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All owners for entertainment spots hosting the public for the World Cup should adopt serious security measures. Al Shabaab just issued a veiled threat on their twitter handle.
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Guys, we can argue all we want but the truth is the tourists are gone. What are we going to do about it? Argue on who is at fault and who did what?
There is a very high risk of terrorism right now. Has all this arguing and blaming the British solved it?
People have lost jobs. What is this government doing to solved this?
I just wish we and this government that we chose will realize that we are facing a huge problem because of our corruption and our lack of seriousness in the way we are approaching issues and this has led to all this insecurity.
We are the ones who are hurting. It is not the British nor the Chinese. Right now they are asleep overseas and we are here arguing.
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