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Angelica _ann
#21 Posted : Friday, January 24, 2014 10:12:14 AM
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Ole Lenku wrote:
murchr wrote:
@Ole lenku will tell you these 'ghosts' will not be found

Of course not. There are cartels that run such schemes with full knowledge of all top ministry officials. A friend of mine went to resign from gava and she was told that her name would be retained on the payroll and she would split her salo with the ministry officials. I expect cabinet secretary and P.S are fully aware and are abetting this practice.


Am with Ole on this. Once the broom has swept the place, what will make the same dirt from accumulating over again. What we need are systems that help check these issues as they occur. People will still die, resign, terminated etc and ghost workers in payroll will still recur.
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Pedes
#22 Posted : Friday, January 24, 2014 10:21:16 AM
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So, which are these 8 Ministries?
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sky5
#23 Posted : Friday, January 24, 2014 11:07:29 AM
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Pedes wrote:
So, which are these 8 Ministries?


Is audit = head count = counting heads?
jguru
#24 Posted : Friday, January 24, 2014 12:54:00 PM
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I have the entire spreadsheet for devolved personnel (total 65,534 workers).

Grouped in terms of Job Group and Monthly pay



The ghost workers are maybe the sums with single digits. Doctors and directors of departments are at M going upwards. Nurses form the bulk of employees from G to L. In my own humble opinion, it would be very difficult to reduce these numbers by even 10% citing ghost workers.

The only option left for Gava is to retrench civil servants aged 55 and above; and gradually keep retrenching according to age (54, 53, 52 and so on) until the HR burden is manageable.

The 'hustler' civil servants have no say in these bad deeds. Actually, payroll malpractices occur at the level of head of departments (including PS) at the ministries and Public Service Commission. Some workers resign, a HOD changes the bank details, and the salaries keep getting paid to him. Others get transferred, but their pay station is not changed (e.g. Kiambu to Nairobi; appears on the Kiambu list as a ghost worker and misses on the Nairobi list). Others get indefinite study leave with full pay.

Gava wastes money in two areas: Procurement and Payroll. Vet these heads as well as all the procurement officers and you have a chance at sorting these issues out.

Recently, Ten judicial workers sued the JSC because their salaries were reduced after it was discovered that they were being paid incorrect figures.

LINK: For instance Mr Konga, Mrs Waweru, Mrs Murigi who served as senior executive officers and drew Sh271,000, Sh249,000 and Sh219,000 monthly will now get a gross pay of Sh96, 500, Sh96,500 and Sh89,500 respectively. In another case, Mr Kabiru’s salary has been reduced from Sh438,000 to Sh96,500.

Sad.
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murchr
#25 Posted : Friday, January 24, 2014 3:05:22 PM
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sky5 wrote:
Pedes wrote:
So, which are these 8 Ministries?


Is audit = head count = counting heads?


Ole lenku will tell u that ... kama kuhesabu kondoo..

I've said b4 GOK is looking for ways and means of trimming the workforce, this year will be interesting
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Angelica _ann
#26 Posted : Friday, January 24, 2014 3:56:36 PM
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murchr wrote:
sky5 wrote:
Pedes wrote:
So, which are these 8 Ministries?


Is audit = head count = counting heads?


Ole lenku will tell u that ... kama kuhesabu kondoo..

I've said b4 GOK is looking for ways and means of trimming the workforce, this year will be interesting


@murchr, you have so much hope in this Gava! Let us hope it works the way you envisage it for the good of all Kenya. I have my doubts though!
In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
murchr
#27 Posted : Friday, January 24, 2014 4:06:32 PM
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Angelica _ann wrote:
murchr wrote:
sky5 wrote:
Pedes wrote:
So, which are these 8 Ministries?


Is audit = head count = counting heads?


Ole lenku will tell u that ... kama kuhesabu kondoo..

I've said b4 GOK is looking for ways and means of trimming the workforce, this year will be interesting


@murchr, you have so much hope in this Gava! Let us hope it works the way you envisage it for the good of all Kenya. I have my doubts though!


Its more than hope smile
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Ole Lenku
#28 Posted : Friday, January 24, 2014 4:31:57 PM
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murchr wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
murchr wrote:
sky5 wrote:
Pedes wrote:
So, which are these 8 Ministries?


Is audit = head count = counting heads?


Ole lenku will tell u that ... kama kuhesabu kondoo..

I've said b4 GOK is looking for ways and means of trimming the workforce, this year will be interesting


@murchr, you have so much hope in this Gava! Let us hope it works the way you envisage it for the good of all Kenya. I have my doubts though!


Its more than hope smile

I agree,what he has is more than hope. It's a disease of the mind.
McReggae
#29 Posted : Friday, January 24, 2014 4:39:11 PM
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Ole Lenku wrote:
murchr wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
murchr wrote:
sky5 wrote:
Pedes wrote:
So, which are these 8 Ministries?


Is audit = head count = counting heads?


Ole lenku will tell u that ... kama kuhesabu kondoo..

I've said b4 GOK is looking for ways and means of trimming the workforce, this year will be interesting


@murchr, you have so much hope in this Gava! Let us hope it works the way you envisage it for the good of all Kenya. I have my doubts though!


Its more than hope smile

I agree,what he has is more than hope. It's a disease of the mind.


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washiku
#30 Posted : Friday, January 24, 2014 4:44:37 PM
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Ole Lenku wrote:
murchr wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
murchr wrote:
sky5 wrote:
Pedes wrote:
So, which are these 8 Ministries?


Is audit = head count = counting heads?


Ole lenku will tell u that ... kama kuhesabu kondoo..

I've said b4 GOK is looking for ways and means of trimming the workforce, this year will be interesting


@murchr, you have so much hope in this Gava! Let us hope it works the way you envisage it for the good of all Kenya. I have my doubts though!


Its more than hope smile

I agree,what he has is more than hope. It's a disease of the mind.


smile Wah. Matusi nayo. What is wrong with being optimistic and hoping for the best? There could be a chance, however slight, that things shall be fine. Eg I still have hope that counties will work out despite the negative reports we are getting this far. Coming back to this, there is hope that the system could be streamlined, after all this audit was initiated by the govt. Even if it shall just scare of half of those that wanted to do it, that would be 1billion saved. (Using the figures presented). Dont always lose hope too fast even before trying. Kari gani???smile smile
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