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Rank: Member Joined: 11/25/2013 Posts: 402
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Jus Blazin wrote:Ole Lenku wrote:murchr wrote:Ole Lenku wrote:jaggernaut wrote:Good move by govt. Why should govt officers leave their offices and boardrooms and head to hotels to hold meetings and pay exorbitant charges. Sijui 200k per day for the conference room, 3k per person for tea and lunch, 500bob for water, 40k pp for room. That's a waste of public funds. Stupid move. How can it be enforced?? He who pays the piper calls the tune. Eehh nani kuulize did u actually think before typing? @Murchr, now that you are such a great thinker please outline how this directive will be enforced. Enforcement is one thing, thinking it's a stupid move is another. That's what @murchr was calling you out for. Enforcement is everything especially in counties. Governors are commiting despicable economic crimes left right and centre without fear of retribution. Think about it is our problem lack of laws or failure of enforcement? Counties don't need more new laws, the existing laws need to be implemented.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi
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Angelica _ann wrote:Next month you will see the same hounchos in Naivasha or Mombasa launcing this, openning that workshop/seminar/training etc. Brainstoming on how to waste government funds is best done outside the office. Nothing will change. well said keeping their word is hard rem the luxury directive. possunt quia posse videntur
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 10/25/2007 Posts: 1,574
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jaggernaut wrote:mkenyan wrote:majimaji wrote:jaggernaut wrote:Good move by govt. Why should govt officers leave their offices and boardrooms and head to hotels to hold meetings and pay exorbitant charges. Sijui 200k per day for the conference room, 3k per person for tea and lunch, 500bob for water, 40k pp for room. That's a waste of public funds. Hotels will suffer and workers will be fired. If Govt does not spend, the economy contracts. Govt should come up with clear guidelines on when a meeting can be taken out of offices otherwise a blanket ban is like banning psv night travel what's the rationale of having such meetings in hotels? Per diems, 5 star hotel rooms, 5 star cuisine etc all at the expense of poor wanjiko. Very sad. Between 2003 and 2009, Kenya received 24 billion shillings from the Global Fund for Malaria, TB and HIV/AIDS. 30 percent of this money went into conferences, seminars and training sessions that were mostly done in fancy hotels. That's 7.2 billion shillings! Extrapolate that to the entire government expenditure and get a clearer picture of how much money is wasted in these hotels. Set out to correct the world's wrongs and you will most certainly wind up adding to them.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/26/2007 Posts: 6,514
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Its ironic the day this ban was announced, Ole Lenku also gave some press conference at Nairobi Safari Club. The blind leading the foolish. Business opportunities are like buses,there's always another one coming
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/7/2012 Posts: 11,941
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KulaRaha wrote:Its ironic the day this ban was announced, Ole Lenku also gave some press conference at Nairobi Safari Club.
The blind leading the foolish. Yet some sycophants up there want us to believe this is something new. Started with the dream team and we are still dreaming ..... In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/9/2008 Posts: 5,389
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A typical programme for a 1 week meeting at Naivasha.
Day 1, Monday - leave Nairobi for Naivasha, Check into hotel.
Day 2, Tuesday - -morning - introduction, setting the agenda; -afternoon - agenda 1
Day 3, Wednesday - -morning agenda 2, -afternoon agenda 3
Day 4, Thursday -morning - resolutions -afternoon - excursion to Lake Naivasha, Hells gate national park -evening - cocktails (free beer, wine, whisky etc for all)
Day 5, Friday travel back to Nairobi
Expenses: -1 week per diem, nightouts for officers, drivers -fuel for 10 vehicles -conference room 200k per day -use of hotel business centre 70k per day -hotel rooms 40k per day per person -internet 20k per day -breakfast - 2000 per person per day -lunch 3,000 per person per day -dinner 4000 per person per day - out of pocket allowance - 5000 per person per day -writing materials 3000 per person -facilitation fee 300k Total bill 10m.
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Rank: Member Joined: 6/12/2011 Posts: 237
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The thing is that this wasteful spending does not stop with hotels and is deeply ingrained in government culture. When I was new in civil service, I found it hard to understand why we would go out to Naivasha and other places to hold a meeting which could just as well have been held in the office boardroom. My colleagues then explained that we need a fresh and quiet environment to work better. But soon I was to realize that these meetings were really a means to earning that extra coin. And there's a lot of peer pressure...your subordinates will complain to you that such and such department has held two training sessions in Mombasa, why can't we hold ours in a similar venue. In the long run this is a way of making money...and if you close it, the ever creative Kenyans will come up with other ways. We make or break our own tomorrows today!
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Rank: Chief Joined: 5/9/2007 Posts: 13,095
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blueman wrote:The thing is that this wasteful spending does not stop with hotels and is deeply ingrained in government culture. When I was new in civil service, I found it hard to understand why we would go out to Naivasha and other places to hold a meeting which could just as well have been held in the office boardroom. My colleagues then explained that we need a fresh and quiet environment to work better. But soon I was to realize that these meetings were really a means to earning that extra coin. And there's a lot of peer pressure...your subordinates will complain to you that such and such department has held two training sessions in Mombasa, why can't we hold ours in a similar venue. In the long run this is a way of making money...and if you close it, the ever creative Kenyans will come up with other ways. I know of a guy in KRA who sets up meetings to see Agents everytime he is broke. He will just say: Man, nimekaukiwa. Let me arrange for a katraining hivi so that niweze kumaliza mwezi. In a week ako Mombasa or Busia or Namanga or such other places. Pesa pap!!!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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Ole Lenku wrote:Jus Blazin wrote:Ole Lenku wrote:murchr wrote:Ole Lenku wrote:jaggernaut wrote:Good move by govt. Why should govt officers leave their offices and boardrooms and head to hotels to hold meetings and pay exorbitant charges. Sijui 200k per day for the conference room, 3k per person for tea and lunch, 500bob for water, 40k pp for room. That's a waste of public funds. Stupid move. How can it be enforced?? He who pays the piper calls the tune. Eehh nani kuulize did u actually think before typing? @Murchr, now that you are such a great thinker please outline how this directive will be enforced. Enforcement is one thing, thinking it's a stupid move is another. That's what @murchr was calling you out for. Enforcement is everything especially in counties. Governors are commiting despicable economic crimes left right and centre without fear of retribution. Think about it is our problem lack of laws or failure of enforcement? Counties don't need more new laws, the existing laws need to be implemented. Enforcement is very easy. Go to Naivasha for whatever training then pass the invoice to GOK. GOK is looking for ways of cuttin down the bloated workforce, and you'll have presented yourself on the chopping board. Again, he who pays the piper calls the tune. "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore .
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/26/2007 Posts: 6,514
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Angelica _ann wrote:KulaRaha wrote:Its ironic the day this ban was announced, Ole Lenku also gave some press conference at Nairobi Safari Club.
The blind leading the foolish. Yet some sycophants up there want us to believe this is something new. Started with the dream team and we are still dreaming ..... Strathmore should offer a degree in sycophancy. There are many Wazuans who can get jobs as lecturers. Business opportunities are like buses,there's always another one coming
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