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masukuma wrote:Rajolghani wrote:Genetics I disagree.... there is nothing genetically wrong or different with us. I know what you think... but its not the cranium sizes is all just a retrogressive (old world) culture. in a couple of years we will catch up! actually some diseases that ail us may lead to impaired cognitive development ie malaria and many helminthic infections. They may not kill you as a kid but you will live with the effects for the rest of your life. Considering that these things have been around for millenia and some are still around today. Cumulatively over millenia you dont need to imagine the damage, you have us the kenyan voter our goals are best achieved indirectly
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Rollout wrote:theman192000 wrote:Rollout wrote:Arrogance..... Africans are just downright arrogant people; "Do you know who I am attitude." When African make a little more money they want to slap everyone walking the streets. Just to add on to what Rollout has said; my take is that of the game theory which states that in order for me to win you must lose. We mistakenly believe that there is not enough for everyone. This was ingrained in Kenyans under the divide and rule system employed by the British colonial government which also established the class system. A few loyal Africans (read hyenas) were elevated above the others and this continues to date. What we lack is great leadership which seeks to build everybody. A pure capitalistic society of man eat man as Nyerere described Kenyans is not the answer but neither is communism which encourages uzembe as someone said above. The late Kijana Wamalwa said that in order to achieve greatness we must stand on the shoulders of those greater than ourselves. I disagree, Africans were selfish even before the british came, the british did not create a class system, African culture is build around master/slave setting. I am a kalenjin, my great gradma was brough from Maasai before the british to serve my great gradpa. Infact in African culture the man eat first then everyone else with get the leftovers once he is satisfied! If you go to Western cultures kids are fed first. My brother I'm not sure what you are disagreeing with. I did not say that the British made Africans selfish, I just said they ingrained i.e firmly fixed the class culture. This is why Wazua posts are littered with talk of middle class, etc. The issue of the man eating first was a throw back to the caveman days where the man hunted for game. If you didn't feed him first, eventually the entire family will starve. @ masukuma my solution is based on Kijana Wamalwa's quote.
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Rank: Member Joined: 7/9/2011 Posts: 730 Location: Nairobi
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Can we now offer solutions on this thread our goals are best achieved indirectly
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It might not be a solution to some but for me,the fact that we are trying to identify the problem(s) is a step in the right direction.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/17/2013 Posts: 4,693 Location: Earth
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kiterunner wrote:Can we now offer solutions on this thread  . Whenever I come across well travelled and highly educated people in positions of authority behaving talking and reasoning like jungle animals,I lose hope for Africa. We are a strangely unique people who read 'motive' in any attempt to progress. First step is to acknowledge that we are enemies of progress.
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kysse wrote:kiterunner wrote:Can we now offer solutions on this thread . Whenever I come across well travelled and highly educated people in positions of authority behaving talking and reasoning like jungle animals,I lose hope for Africa. We are a strangely unique people who read 'motive' in any attempt to progress. First step is to acknowledge that we are enemies of progress. Well stated work to prosper
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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kysse wrote:kiterunner wrote:Can we now offer solutions on this thread . Whenever I come across well travelled and highly educated people in positions of authority behaving talking and reasoning like jungle animals,I lose hope for Africa. We are a strangely unique people who read 'motive' in any attempt to progress. First step is to acknowledge that we are enemies of progress. When the 'white man' came, he found 'us' behaving like 'wild animals' and embarked on the process of civilizing the African. And now, a few years later, it's the African calling himself a savage, and bemoaning his being. It makes me wonder, isn't this the highest form of 'indoctrination', 'Babylon'? For, there's no way a person can speak thus of his self and not be lost. We are doing exactly what the 'white man' wanted us to do. Abandon our identity and embrace the 'enlightenment'. But what will happen when you awaken to the event that the enlightenment ideas have run out breath and are now dead? Where will you run to? Whose idea will you borrow? You Godless race? Idol worshipers. Vampires.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2013 Posts: 2,552
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tycho wrote:kysse wrote:kiterunner wrote:Can we now offer solutions on this thread . Whenever I come across well travelled and highly educated people in positions of authority behaving talking and reasoning like jungle animals,I lose hope for Africa. We are a strangely unique people who read 'motive' in any attempt to progress. First step is to acknowledge that we are enemies of progress. When the 'white man' came, he found 'us' behaving like 'wild animals' and embarked on the process of civilizing the African. And now, a few years later, it's the African calling himself a savage, and bemoaning his being. It makes me wonder, isn't this the highest form of 'indoctrination', 'Babylon'? For, there's no way a person can speak thus of his self and not be lost. We are doing exactly what the 'white man' wanted us to do. Abandon our identity and embrace the 'enlightenment'. But what will happen when you awaken to the event that the enlightenment ideas have run out breath and are now dead? Where will you run to? Whose idea will you borrow? You Godless race? Idol worshipers. Vampires. What is enlightenment to you?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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symbols wrote:tycho wrote:kysse wrote:kiterunner wrote:Can we now offer solutions on this thread . Whenever I come across well travelled and highly educated people in positions of authority behaving talking and reasoning like jungle animals,I lose hope for Africa. We are a strangely unique people who read 'motive' in any attempt to progress. First step is to acknowledge that we are enemies of progress. When the 'white man' came, he found 'us' behaving like 'wild animals' and embarked on the process of civilizing the African. And now, a few years later, it's the African calling himself a savage, and bemoaning his being. It makes me wonder, isn't this the highest form of 'indoctrination', 'Babylon'? For, there's no way a person can speak thus of his self and not be lost. We are doing exactly what the 'white man' wanted us to do. Abandon our identity and embrace the 'enlightenment'. But what will happen when you awaken to the event that the enlightenment ideas have run out breath and are now dead? Where will you run to? Whose idea will you borrow? You Godless race? Idol worshipers. Vampires. What is enlightenment to you? There's only one true enlightenment, being in identity with the most high and unnamable being. To embrace the mind, the body, and the spirit. And be in such unity now, and forever more.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2013 Posts: 2,552
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tycho wrote:symbols wrote:tycho wrote:kysse wrote:kiterunner wrote:Can we now offer solutions on this thread . Whenever I come across well travelled and highly educated people in positions of authority behaving talking and reasoning like jungle animals,I lose hope for Africa. We are a strangely unique people who read 'motive' in any attempt to progress. First step is to acknowledge that we are enemies of progress. When the 'white man' came, he found 'us' behaving like 'wild animals' and embarked on the process of civilizing the African. And now, a few years later, it's the African calling himself a savage, and bemoaning his being. It makes me wonder, isn't this the highest form of 'indoctrination', 'Babylon'? For, there's no way a person can speak thus of his self and not be lost. We are doing exactly what the 'white man' wanted us to do. Abandon our identity and embrace the 'enlightenment'. But what will happen when you awaken to the event that the enlightenment ideas have run out breath and are now dead? Where will you run to? Whose idea will you borrow? You Godless race? Idol worshipers. Vampires. What is enlightenment to you? There's only one true enlightenment, being in identity with the most high and unnamable being. To embrace the mind, the body, and the spirit. And be in such unity now, and forever more. I think that is also a foreign idea.My point being that ideas can't be defined as Western,Eastern or African.Africa has to be open to foreign ideas but like @masukuma pointed out,applied to our local conditions.If we've discovered we were doing something(s) in a way that wasn't fulfilling our goals shouldn't we accept it?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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symbols wrote:tycho wrote:symbols wrote:tycho wrote:kysse wrote:kiterunner wrote:Can we now offer solutions on this thread . Whenever I come across well travelled and highly educated people in positions of authority behaving talking and reasoning like jungle animals,I lose hope for Africa. We are a strangely unique people who read 'motive' in any attempt to progress. First step is to acknowledge that we are enemies of progress. When the 'white man' came, he found 'us' behaving like 'wild animals' and embarked on the process of civilizing the African. And now, a few years later, it's the African calling himself a savage, and bemoaning his being. It makes me wonder, isn't this the highest form of 'indoctrination', 'Babylon'? For, there's no way a person can speak thus of his self and not be lost. We are doing exactly what the 'white man' wanted us to do. Abandon our identity and embrace the 'enlightenment'. But what will happen when you awaken to the event that the enlightenment ideas have run out breath and are now dead? Where will you run to? Whose idea will you borrow? You Godless race? Idol worshipers. Vampires. What is enlightenment to you? There's only one true enlightenment, being in identity with the most high and unnamable being. To embrace the mind, the body, and the spirit. And be in such unity now, and forever more. I think that is also a foreign idea.My point being that ideas can't be defined as Western,Eastern or African.Africa has to be open to foreign ideas but like @masukuma pointed out,applied to our local conditions.If we've discovered we were doing something(s) in a way that wasn't fulfilling our goals shouldn't we accept it? Is it? What is the 'Ka' in 'Afrika'? I'm not talking about excluding other races, Among the Africans there was communalism, and kinship; what did 'assimilation' do? Families were torn apart, 'native' culture abandoned, and looked at with suspicion. Lol. Can we identify ideas among our tribes that are 'decadent'? Wife inheritance? Imagine the logic behind it. The tribe at its most considerate, neh? But now city life has torn everyone apart, each is on his own. Now we are having the technocity, how will we live in it? Will the 'African' cease to exist? Are we all going to die swimming across the 'oceans'? 'We are', means Identity. Identity, idea.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2013 Posts: 2,552
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tycho wrote:symbols wrote:tycho wrote:symbols wrote:tycho wrote:kysse wrote:kiterunner wrote:Can we now offer solutions on this thread . Whenever I come across well travelled and highly educated people in positions of authority behaving talking and reasoning like jungle animals,I lose hope for Africa. We are a strangely unique people who read 'motive' in any attempt to progress. First step is to acknowledge that we are enemies of progress. When the 'white man' came, he found 'us' behaving like 'wild animals' and embarked on the process of civilizing the African. And now, a few years later, it's the African calling himself a savage, and bemoaning his being. It makes me wonder, isn't this the highest form of 'indoctrination', 'Babylon'? For, there's no way a person can speak thus of his self and not be lost. We are doing exactly what the 'white man' wanted us to do. Abandon our identity and embrace the 'enlightenment'. But what will happen when you awaken to the event that the enlightenment ideas have run out breath and are now dead? Where will you run to? Whose idea will you borrow? You Godless race? Idol worshipers. Vampires. What is enlightenment to you? There's only one true enlightenment, being in identity with the most high and unnamable being. To embrace the mind, the body, and the spirit. And be in such unity now, and forever more. I think that is also a foreign idea.My point being that ideas can't be defined as Western,Eastern or African.Africa has to be open to foreign ideas but like @masukuma pointed out,applied to our local conditions.If we've discovered we were doing something(s) in a way that wasn't fulfilling our goals shouldn't we accept it? Is it? What is the 'Ka' in 'Afrika'? I'm not talking about excluding other races, Among the Africans there was communalism, and kinship; what did 'assimilation' do? Families were torn apart, 'native' culture abandoned, and looked at with suspicion. Lol. Can we identify ideas among our tribes that are 'decadent'? Wife inheritance? Imagine the logic behind it. The tribe at its most considerate, neh? But now city life has torn everyone apart, each is on his own. Now we are having the technocity, how will we live in it? Will the 'African' cease to exist? Are we all going to die swimming across the 'oceans'? 'We are', means Identity. Identity, idea. How does one bring the benefits of being and identity to the starving African?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/17/2013 Posts: 4,693 Location: Earth
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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theman192000 wrote:Rollout wrote:theman192000 wrote:Rollout wrote:Arrogance..... Africans are just downright arrogant people; "Do you know who I am attitude." When African make a little more money they want to slap everyone walking the streets. Just to add on to what Rollout has said; my take is that of the game theory which states that in order for me to win you must lose. We mistakenly believe that there is not enough for everyone. This was ingrained in Kenyans under the divide and rule system employed by the British colonial government which also established the class system. A few loyal Africans (read hyenas) were elevated above the others and this continues to date. What we lack is great leadership which seeks to build everybody. A pure capitalistic society of man eat man as Nyerere described Kenyans is not the answer but neither is communism which encourages uzembe as someone said above. The late Kijana Wamalwa said that in order to achieve greatness we must stand on the shoulders of those greater than ourselves. I disagree, Africans were selfish even before the british came, the british did not create a class system, African culture is build around master/slave setting. I am a kalenjin, my great gradma was brough from Maasai before the british to serve my great gradpa. Infact in African culture the man eat first then everyone else with get the leftovers once he is satisfied! If you go to Western cultures kids are fed first. My brother I'm not sure what you are disagreeing with. I did not say that the British made Africans selfish, I just said they ingrained i.e firmly fixed the class culture. This is why Wazua posts are littered with talk of middle class, etc. The issue of the man eating first was a throw back to the caveman days where the man hunted for game. If you didn't feed him first, eventually the entire family will starve. @ masukuma my solution is based on Kijana Wamalwa's quote. @Rollout it's not really as you put it. You know there is always good reason for something. Even emergency procedures on planes or ships say, first fasten yours before fasting for the kids. It's about the best survival strategy in an environment like our forefathers lived!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/8/2013 Posts: 2,517
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Tunaomba sirkal. . . and general dependence mentality. Change begins with me. If each one of us in a small way decried mediocrity we sure shall make aleap forward. Start with your household, your neighbourhood, your county uhuruto shall take care of the country. Wajibika change begins with me "😖😡KQ makes money for everyone except the shareholder 😏😏 " overheard in Wazua
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/17/2013 Posts: 4,693 Location: Earth
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tycho wrote:
I'm not talking about excluding other races, Among the Africans there was communalism, and kinship; what did 'assimilation' do? Families were torn apart, 'native' culture abandoned, and looked at with suspicion.
Lol. Can we identify ideas among our tribes that are 'decadent'? Wife inheritance? Imagine the logic behind it. The tribe at its most considerate, neh?
FGM,Witchcraft,Nightrunning,Cannibalism,Mob Jungle justice...
But now city life has torn everyone apart, each is on his own. Now we are having the technocity, how will we live in it? Will the 'African' cease to exist? Are we all going to die swimming across the 'oceans'?
'We are', means Identity. Identity, idea.
The city hasn't torn us apart,we do it ourselves. We cannot afford to think communial because in the city,everything revolves around time and decisions must be arrived at fast and actioned. It's easy to think as 'we' in the village because people embrace the same culture where they are at. It's however impossible to reason like that in a cosmopolitan city.It's every man for himself and what works best for him. People don't hate progress,they just hate adapting new ways of doing things and learning 'how to' in order to make life easier. We would rather stick to the old even if it slows down efficiency /productivity than learn. @ Tycho,What best defines 'African'? cz if it's weird practices,systems and beliefs then they can die very fast as we swim across the 'oceans'. eg saw some people in kisii,2 weeks ago holding on to the belief, that making a girl jump over paraphanelia placed at the door step will protect her from conceiving a child before marriage. And just in case it happens? she gets married off to the oldest bachelor in the village! What would stop such girls from escaping to town to avoid becoming wives of 50/70 yr old bachelors? Another from ate a child in the name of culture. Such beliefs are outdated.
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Rank: Member Joined: 7/9/2011 Posts: 730 Location: Nairobi
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kysse wrote:List in your preferred order from below, beginning with the worst to the least.
You may add to the list.
1.Tribes
2.Western influence
3.Corruption/Greed
4.Funded Militias
5.Attitude/Mentality
6.Religion
7.Governance
8.Jealousy and hatred among African countries.
9.Politics
10.Culture/Traditions
This is our biggest problem according to me. So what are the probable solutions our goals are best achieved indirectly
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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Solution: Start instilling into our young ones that they are equal to anyone else in the world. Instill a can-do attitude. Last but not least insist on quality education "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/17/2013 Posts: 4,693 Location: Earth
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kiterunner wrote:kysse wrote:List in your preferred order from below, beginning with the worst to the least.
You may add to the list.
1.Tribes
2.Western influence
3.Corruption/Greed
4.Funded Militias
5.Attitude/Mentality
6.Religion
7.Governance
8.Jealousy and hatred among African countries.
9.Politics
10.Culture/Traditions
This is our biggest problem according to me. So what are the probable solutions Developing positive attitude-my way1. Get fed up with the status quo 2. Stop reading motive in any attempt to bring change-this leads to witch hunt which we have perfected so well. 3. Realise that there is always someone with a better formula or way of doing things. 4. Get rid of tribal shenanigans-helps one relate well with people from diff backgrounds. 5. Get rid of crowd/wave mentality. This is what makes scam/cults succeed-mass thinking/euphoria. 6.Raise a standard everywhere you go and don't settle for less than is expected. Honestly majority of people would rather be served stale juice than complain for fear causing offence.So how have you helped? The reason we are cowards is because we suffer from Inferiority complex-which is oftenly mistaken for humility in Africa.
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