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Referendum Question ? Do we need both Senate and Parliament?
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wal6807
#21 Posted : Wednesday, July 31, 2013 11:36:26 AM
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there is a high chance with the limited opportunities to make a meaningful contribution in the floor of the house (given the numbers women rep/MPs) many will end their terms not having spoken
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mjuaji wa stocks
#22 Posted : Wednesday, July 31, 2013 2:45:10 PM
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Haiya ...... i voted No!

Now i can bet if the katiba comes back to us, many will vote no.

Honestly, looking at the guys coming from one (where i come from) constituency

Women Rep

MP

Governor

Senate

County Assembly rep,

I dont need all of them ....

to me

The governor

County assembly

MP

are enough.
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nakujua
#23 Posted : Wednesday, July 31, 2013 4:57:08 PM
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this is what we get when the constitution is drafted by a group whose main mission is to please everyone
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Impunity
#24 Posted : Wednesday, July 31, 2013 5:02:12 PM
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nakujua wrote:
this is what we get when the constitution is drafted by a group whose main mission is to please everyone


I am on record to have always described this group as a gang of activist with questionable and weird leanings!!!
Moi said you cant write a constitution by activists, he was right.
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Rollout
#25 Posted : Wednesday, July 31, 2013 6:49:37 PM
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Impunity wrote:
nakujua wrote:
this is what we get when the constitution is drafted by a group whose main mission is to please everyone


I am on record to have always described this group as a gang of activist with questionable and weird leanings!!!
Moi said you cant write a constitution by activists, he was right.


Come on, you know better to use Moi's self-serving comment.

The problem is not devolution or the constitution, the problem is the central government not able or willing to assist the counties and the county government not understanding how big the responsibility is. County government need the central government more than they think they do.
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Siringi
#26 Posted : Saturday, August 03, 2013 10:03:58 AM
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Exactly what is the cost of 47 devolved county garments?
How does it compare with revenue? Add current level of national debt.

The trouble with this Katiba is that it was written by lawyer types and NGO activists. You and i know most of these guys have never heard of Keynesian theory. They would think Alfred Maynard Keynes is related to Machakos Governor nkt.
Most lawyers and activists read literature in english, fasihi ya kiswahili CRE and History with a few reading Geography in high school -and in college,
. anthropology and sociology with their romanticism

There is need for a reality check and the Katiba to be reviewed and audited by financial experts economist/accountants,madaktari, polisi and the regular businessman mahustlers pia

we are on a rollercoaster
i hate it when i here a governor saying eti serkali is frustrating devolution by not giving them monies .gava does not just print money it has to make money thro taxes and revenue. Can we create revenue generating commission instead CRA first jamaneni


Impunity wrote:
nakujua wrote:
this is what we get when the constitution is drafted by a group whose main mission is to please everyone


I am on record to have always described this group as a gang of activist with questionable and weird leanings!!!
Moi said you cant write a constitution by activists, he was right.

"😖😡KQ makes money for everyone except the shareholder 😏😏 " overheard in Wazua
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tycho
#27 Posted : Saturday, August 03, 2013 2:49:49 PM
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It's sad, and awkward that we are now denying our constitution. But I wouldn't be surprised to know that these are challanging times for writing and implementing a new constitution. For the world has changed so, together with the ideas that drive it.

For example, not even Keynesian ideas of government control of the economy can help here. In fact, government needs to play a different economic role in these times, for it's on the path of 'insolvency'. And it's not our government alone that's in dire straits.

And it's not about the 'wage bill' alone, but governments are losing out on the intelligence front. Individuals 'everywhere' can access and share information in the twinkle of an eye, and governments are too big to have monopoly of intelligence, thus governments are no longer governing. These are days of everyone 'following' and 'trending'.

This means that everyone is speaking, or should be speaking. And our constitution is most appropriate for this new world. With it's devolution of the power to speak and act to the villager, this constitution has opened the gates of heaven.

What we need to do is proceed with reforms in every facet of our world.




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Lolest!
#28 Posted : Saturday, August 03, 2013 5:54:50 PM
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Me thinks we should avoid any effort at doing away with devolution. The plain understanding of many voters in the referendum was devolution of resources, not that of power hence the 15pc rule. While the civil society has acted evil in so many ways, they didnt go wrong b championing devolution which is what many Kenyans who felt marginalised wanted. If we are to change this system, let's only do so after 10years. But let's remember that this county-based system is working in little Rwanda.
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guru267
#29 Posted : Saturday, August 03, 2013 6:59:46 PM
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Lolest! wrote:
But let's remember that this county-based system is working in little Rwanda.


Rwanda is not a democracy unlike Kenya!

whatever Kagame's opinion on devolution is becomes law with no credible debate... I wouldn't be shocked if 97% of governors, senators and mps are from his party!
Another thing is that Rwandans don't have a Raila thorn poking their side!

You can't compare the two situations so simply!
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tycho
#30 Posted : Saturday, August 03, 2013 7:08:39 PM
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guru267 wrote:
Lolest! wrote:
But let's remember that this county-based system is working in little Rwanda.


Rwanda is not a democracy unlike Kenya!

whatever Kagame's opinion on devolution is becomes law with no credible debate... I wouldn't be shocked if 97% of governors, senators and mps are from his party!
Another thing is that Rwandans don't have a Raila thorn poking their side!

You can't compare the two situations so simply!


What do you mean when you say Rwanda isn't a democracy? Or that Kenya is a democracy?

What should be plain to us is that everyone must have a voice and power to act, and we are duty bound to facilitate this to all the people of the world.
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