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VAT BIll 2013 Politics
Lolest!
#21 Posted : Tuesday, July 09, 2013 12:43:34 AM
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@innovateguy, are you Jaindi Kisero. Your views look like a summary of his article last week. But from a political angle, this sounds wrong esp because it comes from the same guys who promised us cheaper life. Jubilee was opposeds to wage increment preferring prices reductions. You cannot hit low income earners that hard. Life is hard enough. I find it unbelievable that Uhuruto allowed this to get to parliament. If we want more money, increase VAT rate to 18
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#22 Posted : Tuesday, July 09, 2013 12:49:57 AM
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Lolest! wrote:
@innovateguy, are you Jaindi Kisero. Your views look like a summary of his article last week. But from a political angle, this sounds wrong esp because it comes from the same guys who promised us cheaper life. Jubilee was opposeds to wage increment preferring prices reductions. You cannot hit low income earners that hard. Life is hard enough. I find it unbelievable that Uhuruto allowed this to get to parliament. If we want more money, increase VAT rate to 18

They lied...
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#23 Posted : Tuesday, July 09, 2013 12:54:16 AM
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this ga'ament should only pass this VAT bill if the prices are maintained as below



otherwise, hata ng'ombe hukamuliwa asubuhi na jioni, sio kila saa. nkt
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MaichBlack
#24 Posted : Tuesday, July 09, 2013 6:23:44 AM
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InnovateGuy wrote:
MaichBlack wrote:
InnovateGuy wrote:
There is a lot of misinformation about the VAT bill 2013.


Yes!!! by @InnovateGuy

InnovateGuy wrote:
The first misconception is that the VAT bill will increase the cost of basic commodities for the common man. This is not entirely true. Most of the poor do not rely on processed foods.


As @McReggae asked you, can you please inform us what the poor [who are the majority!!] in Nairobi and other major towns eat!

InnovateGuy wrote:
maka wrote:
But commodity prices will go up right...the maziwas,mkates etc


Yes.But it's not a bad thing because there is a huge group of people that does not pay any other form of taxes. They can only pay through the goods they purchase.

What about those who pay??? Are you advocating their double taxation? The goverment should decide if they wanr to tax income or expenditure!

One last thing, anyone can tell you work for the Government! In wazua people will out you very first!!!


Boss, I do not work for ( or with) the government. I'm only explaining my position on the matter.

@InnovateGuy, what's with you and dodging questions??? Can you address the issues I have raised. Whether you work for the government is secondary!
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MaichBlack
#25 Posted : Tuesday, July 09, 2013 7:01:24 AM
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Lolest! wrote:
@innovateguy, are you Jaindi Kisero. Your views look like a summary of his article last week. But from a political angle, this sounds wrong esp because it comes from the same guys who promised us cheaper life. Jubilee was opposeds to wage increment preferring prices reductions. You cannot hit low income earners that hard. Life is hard enough. I find it unbelievable that Uhuruto allowed this to get to parliament. If we want more money, increase VAT rate to 18

Very disappointed by UhuRuto. They promised and I was actually expecting they would reduce the cost of living which is already ridiculous as it is! How do you reduce cost of living by increasing taxes on basic commodities? This is a classical 'mtado?' moment!

One fellow here says that the poor don't use these BASIC commodities - like unga [Kenya's staple food is ugali], pads, milk etc. This bullcrap argument on two levels. First, because they do - common sense! Secondly because it is preposterous to argue that because there are some Kenyans who cannot afford some of these BASIC needs we should make them even more expensive! Seriously?

Another fellow argues that the government needs money to operate. Of course it does and that is why we are already paying taxes through the nose. But didn't the former Finance Permanent Secretary say we loose a whooping 40% of revenue through corruption? Seal those loopholes and you have more than enough. Equity Bank introduced a system that sealed loopholes and saved 3B [Yes, Billion] a year in corruption related losses in Masai Mara alone. We all know how that ended! Haven't we all seen the county budgets? You want me to finance that with the 2/3 of my salary after the goverment GRABBED 1/3 at source. Should I finance the laptop project? Car grants for Mpigs? Their house and car loans? Kibaki's office? Ruto's re-modeling? Refurbishment of PERSONAL several houses belonging to governors? 53 million for entertainment for one governors office? Kabogo's 1.7 Billion for "office of the governor" [on clear explanation what it will be used for!]

We need to stop looking for simple solutions to complicated/compound problems. If you give your son 20k pocket money per term and it is still not enough because he uses the money on alcohol, drugs, gambling and women, do you dip into your savings or get second job because your son "needs money to 'operate'"?
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#26 Posted : Tuesday, July 09, 2013 7:33:27 AM
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@MaichBlack....you've nailed it.
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#27 Posted : Tuesday, July 09, 2013 7:40:03 AM
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Where do you guys expect the gava to get money to run the economy... It is a give and take simple.
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MaichBlack
#28 Posted : Tuesday, July 09, 2013 7:44:58 AM
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King G wrote:
Where do you guys expect the gava to get money to run the economy... It is a give and take simple.

See post #25
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McReggae
#29 Posted : Tuesday, July 09, 2013 8:57:16 AM
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@InnovateGuy, thus far you've not given any response worth your 1st post!!!!
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#30 Posted : Tuesday, July 09, 2013 9:06:29 AM
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MaichBlack wrote:
Very disappointed by UhuRuto. They promised and I was actually expecting they would reduce the cost of living which is already ridiculous as it is! How do you reduce cost of living by increasing taxes on basic commodities? This is a classical 'mtado?' moment!

And now we have a Railway Development Levy @1.5% of the value of all goods imported into the countrySad Sad
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