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Konza City. Whats the progress so far?
Kausha
#21 Posted : Thursday, June 27, 2013 12:15:46 PM
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Lets be a bit realistic here, even Nairobi lacks such quality as depicted on the renderings so what are the odds Konza will attain such quality. Look how long it took to pull off Thika highway and how long it has taken for JKIA to mended. I have said it severally Konza does't make sense and is unlikely to make sense in 10 years time.
Impunity
#22 Posted : Friday, June 28, 2013 10:38:53 AM
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a4architect.com wrote:
@jamplu..thanks for letting us know the location. Such valuable info is not available on Konza city website.

Its in the middle of nowhere though but at least much better location than the Konza railway station very far of the tarmac.

Lets see how the companies that will migrate there will pan out economically. Based on history, i have never sen a city grow from no where without any salient attractive feature/economic activity. If this develops, it will be the 1st in the world.


In Dubai cities are built in the desert and people migrate there!
Id daent have to have some natural resources underlying.
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ahoo
#23 Posted : Friday, June 28, 2013 1:30:55 PM
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Impunity wrote:
a4architect.com wrote:
@jamplu..thanks for letting us know the location. Such valuable info is not available on Konza city website.

Its in the middle of nowhere though but at least much better location than the Konza railway station very far of the tarmac.

Lets see how the companies that will migrate there will pan out economically. Based on history, i have never sen a city grow from no where without any salient attractive feature/economic activity. If this develops, it will be the 1st in the world.


In Dubai cities are built in the desert and people migrate there!
Id daent have to have some natural resources underlying.


Totally agree.why all the pessism.At the end of the day it will all be about the willingness of the government of the day.All they need to provide is the infrastructure.Human resource is available in plenty,and i can tell you kenyans are sharp considering my experience in many african countries.It will depend on how well the idea is sold to the IBMs,Microsoft et al to put up shop.They definitely have the big monies required,and desperately need Kenya as their hub in Africa
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a4architect.com
#24 Posted : Saturday, June 29, 2013 3:48:14 PM
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@impunity. Dubai was built using revenue from oil and Gas discovered in the early 60s.

Dubai's oil production is estimated to be about 240,000 barrels per day.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Dubai

http://en.wikipedia.org/...he_United_Arab_Emirates

http://www.economywatch.com/world_economy/dubai/


Konza neither has oil nor gas to fuel its economy.

@ahoo. If Govt can find another source of money apart from tax payer money and Worldbank loans paid back by taxpayers, we would have no problem .

Clarify on what you mean by Govt providing infrastructure.

Do you mean built up space for office/residence?

If its this, we already have infrastructure throughout the country for all classes, from Runda,Muthaiga to Kayole.
There is no relationship between provision of infrastructure in Konza and any sort of productivity wherer in IT or any industry.

A talented programmer will work as well from Muthaiga or from a 1 roomed shack in Mathare slums.
IBM,Microsoft etc have serious analysts who see through any sugar coated ideas so i doubt they would buy into such.

As we speak, over 80% of entities showing interest in Konza are Kenyan owned.

Artificialy created cities usually have unusually high cost of living since the human capital needed to enable reduction of costs is still not well formed eg Dubai.
No investor wants to set up in an expensive city. This means his cost of production will be higher , hence being less competitive.

Ever wondered why every rich neighbourhood has a slum nearby?

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jamplu
#25 Posted : Tuesday, July 02, 2013 10:07:05 PM
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bw. @a4architect.com found this the proposed zoning by the ministry of lands....am just wondering
will the government buy the extra land within the 10km buffer its already allocated to individuals???
especially the red portion those are 2acres plots belonging to members of Konza Ranch.




murchr
#26 Posted : Tuesday, July 02, 2013 10:52:52 PM
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a4architect.com wrote:
@impunity. Dubai was built using revenue from oil and Gas discovered in the early 60s.

Dubai's oil production is estimated to be about 240,000 barrels per day.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Dubai

http://en.wikipedia.org/...he_United_Arab_Emirates

http://www.economywatch.com/world_economy/dubai/


Konza neither has oil nor gas to fuel its economy.

@ahoo. If Govt can find another source of money apart from tax payer money and Worldbank loans paid back by taxpayers, we would have no problem .The taxpayers who will be employed directly in this sector should not have a problem

Clarify on what you mean by Govt providing infrastructure. If am not wrong...he means roads water, rail, fibre layout, elec etc. I hope Konza will not have overhead electricity and telephone lines

Do you mean built up space for office/residence?

If its this, we already have infrastructure throughout the country for all classes, from Runda,Muthaiga to Kayole.
There is no relationship between provision of infrastructure in Konza and any sort of productivity wherer in IT or any industry.For Your Information, Nairobi has zero 0 nada infrastructure compared to the rest of the tech smart cities in the world. If i had all the money in the world I would host you here so that you conceptualize what Konza (should be) about. The Tech industry in Asia was born out of American industries setting up base there...Africans should warm up

A talented programmer will work as well from Muthaiga or from a 1 roomed shack in Mathare slums.
IBM,Microsoft etc have serious analysts who see through any sugar coated ideas so i doubt they would buy into such. I am one of the so called analysts in one of these firms mentioned here and believe me even with the promise that some days i would be working from home (remote), my boss always insists on my bum being in the office. And please dont be cheated that IBM will remain at Catholic Uni, they are recruiting those who will work for them once the dice falls in place. Why would they be arranging for Kenyans working abroad to come and work for them?

As we speak, over 80% of entities showing interest in Konza are Kenyan owned. what is wrong with that? Anyway, Most of these orgs dont invest in buildings..they will liase with the hass consults of this world and have a place built to their specifications then pay rent..they aint in the real estate business.

Artificialy created cities usually have unusually high cost of living since the human capital needed to enable reduction of costs is still not well formed eg Dubai.
No investor wants to set up in an expensive city. This means his cost of production will be higher , hence being less competitive.Wrong...its the opposite, no serious investor would consider setting up in a cheap city that would eventually turn out to be like downtown Nairobi, ever wondered why most firms and esp multinationals are heading towards upper hill?

Ever wondered why every rich neighbourhood has a slum nearby? Poor planning. Thats why Konza will have high speed trains to take their workers to the Nairobis and Machakos they will be living in



Now do an analysis of Bangalore India - Electronic City
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wanyee
#27 Posted : Wednesday, July 03, 2013 9:48:10 AM
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a4architect.com
#28 Posted : Wednesday, July 03, 2013 10:20:56 AM
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@jamplu. Govt does not need to buy the land so as to effect the zoning controls. All it needs to do is create the by laws and enforce them. Unless someone in Govt would like to take advantage and eat, there is no need to buy the land.

For example, Govt can declare whre you currently live in Kenya to be zoned only for 10 floor highrise buildings, with parking for 100 cars, with ground coverage of 80% etc etc and this will become law whether you like it or not.


@murch. The taxpayers employed directly in konza are a drop in the ocean compared to money derived from all Kenyan taxpayers.If Konza gets say 10B from tax payers and pays a few guys 50m, there is a net loss of 9.5B to the economy.

Give examples of the tech smart city infrastructure then we compare. If possible, give video and picture comparison.

If you are one of the analysts for these blue chip IT firms, how comes you have not been able to convince them so as to tilt the over 80% local Konza investors?

Do you mean that firstly, the hass consults of this world will have to invest in Konza then the IBMs of this world later come to rent? How will the hass consults be assured that the real estate is suitable/appropriate for the IBMs?

Currently, Upper Hill and other leafy CBD suburbs have a lower cost of living eg taxi, food, photocopy etc coz of proximity to a over 100 yeas old city centre.

Its cheaper to do business from upper hill than from Konza.

New york city has brooklyn/harlem low income areas. London city has West London slums/Ealing area.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbB0cQLY5Ao
http://www.theatlanticci...s-their-backyards/3867/
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a4architect.com
#29 Posted : Wednesday, July 03, 2013 10:48:06 AM
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@murchr. Konza size and location is very wrong compared to Indias electronic city.
Indias electronic city is 300 acres compared to Konza s 5000 acres.
Indias electronic city is located 17 km from Bangalore city.
Bangalore city was founded in 1597.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Bangalore

Konza is 67km from Nairobi CBD compared to 17km for Bangalore.

Its over 400 years old, compared to Nairobi at 100.
Now,picture 17km from the epicentre of a 400 years old city.

This can only be compared to say 10km from Nairobi in terms of development.

Confirm all these for yourself in the google maps below.

17km from Nairobi CBD along Mombasa road is at Syokimau/Mlolongo area.
Now thats where Konza city should have been located for it to make sense.

Check the google map for Indias Electronic city . Take keen notice of disctance from Bangalore cbd and surrounding developments.

https://maps.google.com/...sp=1&sz=12&z=12

Now compare this to Konza below.
Take keen notice of distance from Nairobi CBD and developments around Konza. There are none.

https://maps.google.com/...=1,0&sz=14&z=10




Therefore, we cant compare Konza to Bangalore at all. Konza is in the middle of nowhere so zero viablility from my point of view. In the next 10 to 20 years, it will havr slowly gained viability but for now, its just a method of draining tax payer money.
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a4architect.com
#30 Posted : Wednesday, July 03, 2013 11:09:46 AM
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Land price is kes 200m per acre in Bangalore Electronic city.

http://pricetrends.makaa...pf=1&pt=3&tm=12

Compare this to Konza at 2 to 4m per acre.

This means that major ICT players are not inhibited by high land price so they can also afford Upper Hill with 200 to 300 m per acre prices.
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