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CMA probes more brokers in bonds theft scam
Museveni
#21 Posted : Monday, September 02, 2013 12:20:25 PM
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Kausha wrote:
This is an old story.....bonds and confirmed were 2.8B. Mweni swore an affidavit to this effect but latter withdrew it....wonder why? This matter will die a natural death. There is no way people will be allowed to peer into the details of how this bonds were created....ICT and digital times I tell you!


Standard story from Saturday..

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Recently concluded investigations by the Capital Markets regulator allege the group used the Central Bank’s central depository system to create fake government bonds that were later sold to unsuspecting buyers in the Nairobi Securities Exchange.
Live and learn; and don’t forget, nothing ventured, nothing gained.
Scubidu
#22 Posted : Monday, September 02, 2013 3:54:21 PM
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Museveni wrote:
Kausha wrote:
This is an old story.....bonds and confirmed were 2.8B. Mweni swore an affidavit to this effect but latter withdrew it....wonder why? This matter will die a natural death. There is no way people will be allowed to peer into the details of how this bonds were created....ICT and digital times I tell you!


Standard story from Saturday..

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Recently concluded investigations by the Capital Markets regulator allege the group used the Central Bank’s central depository system to create fake government bonds that were later sold to unsuspecting buyers in the Nairobi Securities Exchange.


The story has taken a different twist from the article at least with the mentioning of BOA. Starting to turn into a witch-hunt.
“We are the middle children of history man, no purpose or place. We have no great war, no great depression. Our great war is a spiritual war, our great depression is our lives!" – Tyler Durden
Scubidu
#23 Posted : Tuesday, September 03, 2013 9:08:13 AM
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The capital markets regulator on Monday demanded that the role of creating and primary issuance of bonds be transferred from the CBK to the Treasury in the wake of the scam involving the sale of fake government securities.

Capital Markets Authority (CMA) chairman Kung’u Gatabaki said such a move would also remove the risk of conflict of interest that the CBK currently faces being in charge of the country’s monetary policy while at the same time raising funds on behalf of the Treasury that has a preference for lower interest rates on its debt.

“The CBK should not have an interest in the outcome of the bond auctions,” Mr Gatabaki said, adding that the Treasury was better suited to handle the bonds and keep custody of government securities through its Debt Department.

“The Treasury should take charge of the whole process of creating and issuing government securities.”

Read more:

http://www.businessdaily.../0/-/its3uv/-/index.html
“We are the middle children of history man, no purpose or place. We have no great war, no great depression. Our great war is a spiritual war, our great depression is our lives!" – Tyler Durden
kizee1
#24 Posted : Tuesday, September 03, 2013 9:32:25 AM
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[quote=Scubidu]The capital markets regulator on Monday demanded that the role of creating and primary issuance of bonds be transferred from the CBK to the Treasury in the wake of the scam involving the sale of fake government securities.

Capital Markets Authority (CMA) chairman Kung’u Gatabaki said such a move would also remove the risk of conflict of interest that the CBK currently faces being in charge of the country’s monetary policy while at the same time raising funds on behalf of the Treasury that has a preference for lower interest rates on its debt.

“The CBK should not have an interest in the outcome of the bond auctions,” Mr Gatabaki said, adding that the Treasury was better suited to handle the bonds and keep custody of government securities through its Debt Department.

“The Treasury should take charge of the whole process of creating and issuing government securities.”

Read more:

http://www.businessdaily...0/-/its3uv/-/index.html[/quote]


where in the world does this happen?

isnt this a conflict of interest?
Museveni
#25 Posted : Tuesday, September 03, 2013 11:43:48 AM
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Scubidu wrote:
The capital markets regulator on Monday demanded that the role of creating and primary issuance of bonds be transferred from the CBK to the Treasury in the wake of the scam involving the sale of fake government securities.

Capital Markets Authority (CMA) chairman Kung’u Gatabaki said such a move would also remove the risk of conflict of interest that the CBK currently faces being in charge of the country’s monetary policy while at the same time raising funds on behalf of the Treasury that has a preference for lower interest rates on its debt.

“The CBK should not have an interest in the outcome of the bond auctions,” Mr Gatabaki said, adding that the Treasury was better suited to handle the bonds and keep custody of government securities through its Debt Department.

“The Treasury should take charge of the whole process of creating and issuing government securities.”

Read more:

http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Why+CMA+wants+central+bank+out+of+bonds+market/-/539546/1977378/-/item/0/-/its3uv/-/index.html


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Mr Gatabaki said the fraud, so far confirmed to be worth about Sh105 million, may turn out to be worth billions of shillings when investigations are complete.


Is this the end of the road for the case or not ?

Previous article had hinted so.

Regarding Treasury vs CBK..

Treasury should obviously be incharge of creation and issuance of these bonds. Only problem is by having transferred the role to CBK, it hints that Treasury MAY be more porous than CBK. Just MAY·BE..

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kangi
#26 Posted : Tuesday, September 03, 2013 8:07:05 PM
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My thoughts exactly.
Wont we have sent the money to more hungrier mandarins who may exploit the loop holes more?
Not unless the national treasury pays the civil servants in the debt dept staff better rates.

Museveni wrote:
Scubidu wrote:
The capital markets regulator on Monday demanded that the role of creating and primary issuance of bonds be transferred from the CBK to the Treasury in the wake of the scam involving the sale of fake government securities.

Capital Markets Authority (CMA) chairman Kung’u Gatabaki said such a move would also remove the risk of conflict of interest that the CBK currently faces being in charge of the country’s monetary policy while at the same time raising funds on behalf of the Treasury that has a preference for lower interest rates on its debt.

“The CBK should not have an interest in the outcome of the bond auctions,” Mr Gatabaki said, adding that the Treasury was better suited to handle the bonds and keep custody of government securities through its Debt Department.

“The Treasury should take charge of the whole process of creating and issuing government securities.”

Read more:

http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Why+CMA+wants+central+bank+out+of+bonds+market/-/539546/1977378/-/item/0/-/its3uv/-/index.html


Quote:
Mr Gatabaki said the fraud, so far confirmed to be worth about Sh105 million, may turn out to be worth billions of shillings when investigations are complete.


Is this the end of the road for the case or not ?

Previous article had hinted so.

Regarding Treasury vs CBK..

Treasury should obviously be incharge of creation and issuance of these bonds. Only problem is by having transferred the role to CBK, it hints that Treasury MAY be more porous than CBK. Just MAY·BE..




#2Cents

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Kausha
#27 Posted : Tuesday, September 03, 2013 10:18:32 PM
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No offence meant but bw chair lost it, there is no way the treasury floats debt. That statement was economic nonsense. Why do I suspect witch hunting on Prof. Treasuries are not only issued for borrowing they are a core tool for implementing monetary policy. Anyone who studied economics 101 knows this. It is the responsibility of the central bank to manage monetary policy....eish upumba...
Scubidu
#28 Posted : Tuesday, September 03, 2013 10:56:08 PM
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kizee1 wrote:
[quote=Scubidu]The capital markets regulator on Monday demanded that the role of creating and primary issuance of bonds be transferred from the CBK to the Treasury in the wake of the scam involving the sale of fake government securities.

Capital Markets Authority (CMA) chairman Kung’u Gatabaki said such a move would also remove the risk of conflict of interest that the CBK currently faces being in charge of the country’s monetary policy while at the same time raising funds on behalf of the Treasury that has a preference for lower interest rates on its debt.

“The CBK should not have an interest in the outcome of the bond auctions,” Mr Gatabaki said, adding that the Treasury was better suited to handle the bonds and keep custody of government securities through its Debt Department.

“The Treasury should take charge of the whole process of creating and issuing government securities.”

Read more:

http://www.businessdaily...0/-/its3uv/-/index.html[/quote]


where in the world does this happen?

isnt this a conflict of interest?


@kizee1. No idea where this happens. Conflict? They issue, they allocate, they spend, I think so, sounds like no controls. I don't think Treasury would be any more accountable than CBK when it comes to scandals so they'd be just as bad. Even worse maybe as they'd be the custodians of bonds and payers of coupons (who wud notice a fraud). The stories indicate that criminals took advantage of a switch in systems to steal, which Treasury would have to do if they were to assume control anyway. Or this could be a case of 'it's my turn to eat' with Treasury looking to get in on the action that a select few at cBK have enjoyed (in secret). Perhaps it's the Treasury secretary who is simply missing the control he had at CBK.

The obvious benefit for Treasury is that they don't need to pay CBK 3 bn annually for their services and can decide what to issue. But whether they'll be more effective at giving rate direction or coordinating with the market is a different question. I think the guys endorsing this assumed CBK is struggling with both fiscal and monetary responsibilities and so must stick to one. But I find this hard to swallow as Treasury is already faced with a thousand and 1 pressures not to capitulate to guys like governors and investors meaning that it's unlikely they'd ever have a harmonized policy with CBK (on the monetary side) should they take control.

My 2 cents
“We are the middle children of history man, no purpose or place. We have no great war, no great depression. Our great war is a spiritual war, our great depression is our lives!" – Tyler Durden
kizee1
#29 Posted : Wednesday, September 04, 2013 9:44:21 AM
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@scubi

fully agree, anyway this was a suggestion from CMA

i highly doubt anything will come from it

@kausha

exactly! monetary policy which includes debt issuance is the role of the CB treasury handles fiscal policy
maka
#30 Posted : Wednesday, September 04, 2013 8:44:18 PM
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kizee1 wrote:
[quote=Scubidu]The capital markets regulator on Monday demanded that the role of creating and primary issuance of bonds be transferred from the CBK to the Treasury in the wake of the scam involving the sale of fake government securities.

Capital Markets Authority (CMA) chairman Kung’u Gatabaki said such a move would also remove the risk of conflict of interest that the CBK currently faces being in charge of the country’s monetary policy while at the same time raising funds on behalf of the Treasury that has a preference for lower interest rates on its debt.

“The CBK should not have an interest in the outcome of the bond auctions,” Mr Gatabaki said, adding that the Treasury was better suited to handle the bonds and keep custody of government securities through its Debt Department.

“The Treasury should take charge of the whole process of creating and issuing government securities.”

Read more:

http://www.businessdaily...0/-/its3uv/-/index.html[/quote]


where in the world does this happen?

isnt this a conflict of interest?


@Kizee 1 your question was “where does this happen?”
In the UK it does, The Debt management office is an executive arm of HM Treasury ,Its key roles include;
(i) Making new issues of UK govt securities ( gilts).
(ii) Overseeing the secondary market for dealing in gilts with help from the LSE.
The DMO ensures that the government borrows the money it requires to fund its Public Sector Net Cash Requirement (PSNCR).
In the US the Federal Reserve is the depositary of most but not all govt bonds…
Now to our local scenario I believe the CBK has always played its role perfectly until this saga occurred and it only happened because there was a loophole in their system that enabled cunning individuals to manipulate it,remember after the primary the bond issue is scattered amongst different investors and unless reconciliation is done daily so that the issuer gets to know what investor A holds and whats the total figure out there of the original issue there is a problem.
I have a question though in regards to this fraud,lets say 10 Billion is issued via a primary,lets call our bond FXD 1/2013…immediately the primary is completed and various investors have received what they had tendered for you cannot add another 100m on the original primary unless it’s a re-opening …so how did this guys go about it? Coupon payments, secondary trading how was this possible for a long while without red flags being raised….

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