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mawinder
#21 Posted : Friday, April 12, 2013 12:14:09 PM
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McReggae wrote:
If Raila and kalonzo really want to be in parliament, they will be so big issue here for me!!!!

You will have to account for all they say and take all the heat but you have handled it before!!!!!!!
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chiaroscuro
#22 Posted : Friday, April 12, 2013 12:15:09 PM
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mawinder wrote:
chiaroscuro wrote:
mawinder wrote:
Let us amend the katiba and scrap the senate as we have done without it and can do without it.A complete waste of taxpayers money.


Removing the senate will be the beginning of the end of devolution.

Read what it says about senates role....

Role of the Senate
96.
(1) The Senate represents the counties, and serves to protect the interests of the counties and their governments.

(2) The Senate participates in the law-making function of Parliament by considering, debating and approving Bills concerning counties, as
provided in Articles 109 to 113.

(3) The Senate determines the allocation of national revenue among counties, as provided in Article 217, and exercises oversight over
national revenue allocated to the county governments.
Parliament can do all the above functions.
(4) The Senate participates in the oversight of State officers by considering and determining any resolution to remove the President or Deputy
President from office in accordance with Article 145.

The above functions can be exercised by parliament.


Have you ever looked at parliament's calendar? There won't be enough time to discuss matters to do with counties properly while passing national legislation at the same time.
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chiaroscuro
#23 Posted : Friday, April 12, 2013 12:16:54 PM
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By the way; all those saying we do away with the senate, did you send that proposal to the CoE when they were drafting the katiba? Such a major change cannot be something you just came to realise after the election was concluded!
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majimaji
#24 Posted : Friday, April 12, 2013 12:18:58 PM
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In US, where is Mitt Romney and Sarah Palin. Are they still in congress, senate or whtever?
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TAZ
#25 Posted : Friday, April 12, 2013 12:23:17 PM
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2012 wrote:
We seriously need to amend the constitution on what I think was an oversight by the people who put it together.

We need to amend so the Presidential runner-up and his running mate get into Sanate and Parliament respectively - automatically after elections to head the opposition in both houses. Right now we not only have a weak opposition but one that is leaderless and this is dangerous for our country and may takes us back to dictatorship.

Now do not think of UK and Ruto if you voted for them but think of the future, long after they have done their term and retired. This would avoid the shameful scenario we're facing now. What's you take?


I disagree, we need to strengthen political parties and not individuals. If you lose a Presidential election you need to go back to your party and seek fresh mandate to be their leader. I have no issue with the nomination coming from the Party but mambo ya kusema katiba ibadilishwe to accomodate individuals hapana. I think in future Presidential candidates and their running mates will make sure their names appear on the nomination list to be submitted to IEBC just incase. The number of votes you received in the Presidential election should also not be used as an excuse to get back to power, fact remains you still lost the election.....Perhaps Waititu also deserves direct nomination to the county assembly or even Dep. Governor because he came second and received more than 600K votes in the Nairobi Gubernotarial race.
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mawinder
#26 Posted : Friday, April 12, 2013 12:27:51 PM
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chiaroscuro wrote:
mawinder wrote:
chiaroscuro wrote:
mawinder wrote:
Let us amend the katiba and scrap the senate as we have done without it and can do without it.A complete waste of taxpayers money.


Removing the senate will be the beginning of the end of devolution.

Read what it says about senates role....

Role of the Senate
96.
(1) The Senate represents the counties, and serves to protect the interests of the counties and their governments.

(2) The Senate participates in the law-making function of Parliament by considering, debating and approving Bills concerning counties, as
provided in Articles 109 to 113.

(3) The Senate determines the allocation of national revenue among counties, as provided in Article 217, and exercises oversight over
national revenue allocated to the county governments.
Parliament can do all the above functions.
(4) The Senate participates in the oversight of State officers by considering and determining any resolution to remove the President or Deputy
President from office in accordance with Article 145.

The above functions can be exercised by parliament.


Have you ever looked at parliament's calendar? There won't be enough time to discuss matters to do with counties properly while passing national legislation at the same time.

Useless timetable.Parliament runs from Tuesday afternoon to Thursday.There is hardly quorum and they even have vacation,recess etc.The mpigs should work Monday to Friday from 8am to 5p.m with a 30 minute tea break and a 1 hour lunch break.For those away they should get written permission from the clerk.
The other part that should be amended is to reduce the women representatives to a maximum of 16 i.e 2 for each of the former provinces.
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wilyum
#27 Posted : Friday, April 12, 2013 12:33:09 PM
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#IEBC: We will not allow #CORD to amend nominated MPs list to allow former VP @skmusyoka to rejoin Parliament. CEO Oswago terms move illegal
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McReggae
#28 Posted : Friday, April 12, 2013 12:56:41 PM
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Location: Nairobi
wilyum wrote:
#IEBC: We will not allow #CORD to amend nominated MPs list to allow former VP @skmusyoka to rejoin Parliament. CEO Oswago terms move illegal


Oswago should concentrate on disposing those fake things they call BVRs.....CORD has not written to him, in any there is no party called CORD......bloody useless kabisa!!!!
..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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mawinder
#29 Posted : Friday, April 12, 2013 1:04:56 PM
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McReggae wrote:
wilyum wrote:
#IEBC: We will not allow #CORD to amend nominated MPs list to allow former VP @skmusyoka to rejoin Parliament. CEO Oswago terms move illegal


Oswago should concentrate on disposing those fake things they call BVRs.....CORD has not written to him, in any there is no party called CORD......bloody useless kabisa!!!!

Ditto!!!!!Now you agree with Miguna Miguna's views on Oswago and who fronted him for the job??
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chiaroscuro
#30 Posted : Friday, April 12, 2013 2:52:23 PM
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mawinder wrote:
McReggae wrote:
wilyum wrote:
#IEBC: We will not allow #CORD to amend nominated MPs list to allow former VP @skmusyoka to rejoin Parliament. CEO Oswago terms move illegal


Oswago should concentrate on disposing those fake things they call BVRs.....CORD has not written to him, in any there is no party called CORD......bloody useless kabisa!!!!

Ditto!!!!!Now you agree with Miguna Miguna's views on Oswago and who fronted him for the job??


It is interesting how people react to third-hand news.

The original post was a copy-paste from NTV;


It is not a quote from Oswago.

Then @wilyum posted it here.... and you now assume it is authentic....
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