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KulaRaha wrote:Perhaps you also need to listen the the UK High Commissioner...the tide is turning... The idea of voting for somebody just because uK and US is comfortable with them  . Soandso can still get votes even without kupigiwa debe na wabeberu. He should tell them to shut up and let Kenyans decide. He still has the votes, but if those beberus utter any more word...
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Yesterday we were basking in their blessings of the suspects, today they've become wabeberu... Rem that song kigeugeu... Business opportunities are like buses,there's always another one coming
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KulaRaha wrote:Perhaps you also need to listen the the UK High Commissioner...the tide is turning... The UK high commissioner is very clearly referring to cord because of explicit incitement on land issues where Britain/British citizens have huge interest. Ras Kienyeji Man
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/5/2010 Posts: 2,061 Location: Nairobi
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Liv wrote:quicksand wrote:
Yes indeed, Kibaki did that. But he was not shut off. There is a big difference. Kibaki could stand his ground and say to the West. ..I don't like your terms. He also went one further and avoided the back and forth, dealing with minutae, a terrible affliction of diplomats. Uhuru wont have this luxury. Instead, some mafia like businessmen and states will come here and say. ..'hello, we'll take your new oil and gas for cents per barrel, what choice do you have?'
How did you bring private corporations into this? Are you assuming that the Western based private corporations will leave Kenya? Oil is explored and produced by public listed companies from all over the world. They compete to buy and own blocks for exploration and production to maximise their owners wealth. Please don't be .....(I will spare you now). Don't pull punches. I take insults and barbs in my stride. I never mentioned private corporations, I said "businessmen". CEOs and representatives of public companies can also be referred to as businessmen, can they not? Just because a company is listed doesn't mean it can't be dishonest. The case of fraud in Togo by Elf Aquitaine CEO comes to mind. I will also remind you of Lonrho, listed in London and its exec Tiny Rowland and the major mischief he carried out in Africa. So,...if there are sanctions, our options start constricting. The Western companies might not even exit, but like sharks they will smell our reducing options and start tabling unfavourable deals, do you understand this? I would not put it past some of these companies forming cartels to avoid paying a competitive price. What was your argument again?
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/26/2009 Posts: 326 Location: Nairobi
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KulaRaha wrote:Yesterday we were basking in their blessings of the suspects, today they've become wabeberu...
Rem that song kigeugeu... Actually i disliked their perceived endorsement as i dislike their 'consequences'. Why are they even uttering a word... as if they have kura. Kenyans must decide. If they decide to huttle down the cliff- so be it.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2007 Posts: 8,776 Location: Cameroon
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Liv wrote:quicksand wrote:
Yes indeed, Kibaki did that. But he was not shut off. There is a big difference. Kibaki could stand his ground and say to the West. ..I don't like your terms. He also went one further and avoided the back and forth, dealing with minutae, a terrible affliction of diplomats. Uhuru wont have this luxury. Instead, some mafia like businessmen and states will come here and say. ..'hello, we'll take your new oil and gas for cents per barrel, what choice do you have?'
How did you bring private corporations into this? Are you assuming that the Western based private corporations will leave Kenya? Oil is explored and produced by public listed companies from all over the world. They compete to buy and own blocks for exploration and production to maximise their owners wealth. Please don't be .....(I will spare you now). How are iranians doing it? TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
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simonkabz wrote:Liv wrote:quicksand wrote:
Yes indeed, Kibaki did that. But he was not shut off. There is a big difference. Kibaki could stand his ground and say to the West. ..I don't like your terms. He also went one further and avoided the back and forth, dealing with minutae, a terrible affliction of diplomats. Uhuru wont have this luxury. Instead, some mafia like businessmen and states will come here and say. ..'hello, we'll take your new oil and gas for cents per barrel, what choice do you have?'
How did you bring private corporations into this? Are you assuming that the Western based private corporations will leave Kenya? Oil is explored and produced by public listed companies from all over the world. They compete to buy and own blocks for exploration and production to maximise their owners wealth. Please don't be .....(I will spare you now). How are iranians doing it? I understand they are selling oil on CASH basis to some middle man in the Emirates...they get paid less and its cumbersome. Business opportunities are like buses,there's always another one coming
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2007 Posts: 8,776 Location: Cameroon
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harrydre wrote:quicksand wrote:Liv wrote:quicksand wrote:josiah33 wrote:Just asking- will they close their missions here? That's a stupid question, but i couldn't help wondering when someone said they are not supposed to get into contact with a nation led by ICC indictees unless necessary. Dont think so. The embassy will still serve American tourists and businessmen, as well as provide cover for their intelligence people. When they say they will not get into contact, I think that means it will be junior and midlevel American functionaries dealing with junior and midlevel Kenyan functionaries. Humdrum stuff. Strategic discussions will be off the table. ..military aid, which is quite substantial is off. Saw how KDF pulled serious high marks for strategy and execution in Somalia? That was made possible by attachment to American special forces units, leadership, intelligence and strategy training. High level diplomats wont set foot here and their Ambassador will avoid the Executive like the plague. NSA and other US intelligence agencies might scale back the level of cooperation. ..read sharing info with our NSIS, making us more vulnerable. They held this one over Blair by the way, and Britain had to back US into Iraq. ...for disclosure, that is an analysis I read somewhere so its conjecture on my part, but it seems logical. So, small losses that will gain momentum with time. Kibaki kept them off until they complained through the press that they cannot get to the President. President said he was too busy with the development of the country....and had no time for other activities. Yes indeed, Kibaki did that. But he was not shut off. There is a big difference. Kibaki could stand his ground and say to the West. ..I don't like your terms. He also went one further and avoided the back and forth, dealing with minutae, a terrible affliction of diplomats. Uhuru wont have this luxury. Instead, some mafia like businessmen and states will come here and say. ..' hello, we'll take your new oil and gas for cents per barrel, what choice do you have?' We will sell it right here in Africa. Sell it to whom? If the sanctions will be that deep, no poor hungry african shithole will be on our side, mzungu will whip its sorry arse. There is cleaner oil from Saudi. TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
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Rank: Member Joined: 6/5/2009 Posts: 119 Location: nairobi, dolnhom
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Much Know wrote:KulaRaha wrote:Perhaps you also need to listen the the UK High Commissioner...the tide is turning... The UK high commissioner is very clearly referring to cord because of explicit incitement on land issues where Britain/British citizens have huge interest. your ears will only hear what you want to hear.... Its only in Africa that Fourty million people will subject themselves to suffering and embarassment because of two people.. No wonder our intelligence is always questioned Your work will form a large part of your life the only way to be trully satisfied is to love what you do.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/17/2008 Posts: 23,365 Location: Nairobi
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simonkabz wrote:Liv wrote:quicksand wrote:
Yes indeed, Kibaki did that. But he was not shut off. There is a big difference. Kibaki could stand his ground and say to the West. ..I don't like your terms. He also went one further and avoided the back and forth, dealing with minutae, a terrible affliction of diplomats. Uhuru wont have this luxury. Instead, some mafia like businessmen and states will come here and say. ..'hello, we'll take your new oil and gas for cents per barrel, what choice do you have?'
How did you bring private corporations into this? Are you assuming that the Western based private corporations will leave Kenya? Oil is explored and produced by public listed companies from all over the world. They compete to buy and own blocks for exploration and production to maximise their owners wealth. Please don't be .....(I will spare you now). How are iranians doing it? A number of them are driving taxis in the Nordic countries. ..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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