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mawinder
#21 Posted : Thursday, September 20, 2012 11:23:27 PM
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Maichblack,thanks for your informative piece, hower i thought phd students are supervised by professors.
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MaichBlack
#22 Posted : Thursday, September 20, 2012 11:35:30 PM
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mawinder wrote:
Maichblack,thanks for your informative piece, hower i thought phd students are supervised by professors.

No. An experienced Phd. can supervise a Phd. student. We don't have enough professors in Kenya especially in some disciplines like Engineering. There are some university departments without a single professor!

With a masters you become an Assistant Lecturer. Phd. - you become a Lecturer. After years of experience, research and publications, you become a Senior Lecturer [still not a Prof.]. A Senior Lecturer can supervise a Phd. student.
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jaggernaut
#23 Posted : Friday, September 21, 2012 2:46:03 AM
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And how much do private universities pay their lecturers?
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MaichBlack
#24 Posted : Friday, September 21, 2012 6:40:38 AM
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jaggernaut wrote:
And how much do private universities pay their lecturers?

That's a very general question. It's like asking "How much do IT companies pay their secretaries?"
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pariah
#25 Posted : Friday, September 21, 2012 7:32:57 AM
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@Maich thank you for your insight into academia, It s so har d to come by data on what lecturers make in Kenya, do you have any of that?
thanks
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McReggae
#26 Posted : Friday, September 21, 2012 8:03:20 AM
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....and some lecturers have less than 6 lessons in a week and thus teach in other universities as part time. Some have consultancy firms. Some run their companies, wengine wanalalia mkono!!!!!!
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kamundu
#27 Posted : Friday, September 21, 2012 8:50:58 AM
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MaichBlack wrote:
Let me try to address the some of the issues raised here.

1) How do you become a Prof. This is decided by a high ranking univesity committee. You need to have a Phd., kibao research, teaching experience, supervised a good number of masters and Phd. students, have enough publications, written univesity level books or quite a number of chapters in various books etc. etc. The problem is that there is no specific/exact number and combination of these things that you must have to become a Prof. and this makes the process very subjective. Public universities have traditionally been economical when it comes to the issue of professors and as a result there are several people who have achieved the above and much more and they are still Dr. so and so.

2) Can you become a Prof. without a Phd? In Kenya, your chances are between zero and none. The Kenyan system is very rigid. Phd. then the above. If you get your professorship elsewhere and come back to Kenya, lucky you. It cannot be reversed - if it is from a recognized university.

3) How long does it take to do a Phd.? It will take you a minimum of three years even if you are doing it full time in a foreign university. In Kenya, it can take you up to ten years! I'm sure most of you read "Sitting on your papers" in the Daily Nation some time back. There are people who go to the River Road of India. Those ones I will not discuss. Hizo ni degree za kununua and they will not get you far in Kenya!!!



At the medical/dental school, you can be a prof without PHD
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mukiha
#28 Posted : Friday, September 21, 2012 9:00:14 AM
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keraka wrote:

Yes you can do a PHD in less than two years moreso in some foreighn Universities.Most PHD coursework takes between 1 and 1.5 years the rest of the time will be wasted in thesis writting.It might take you 1 year to conceive a research topic and another year for it to be accepted,dont forget youll be travelling allover kenya looking for your prof. to do a grammatical correction for your research topic.My spouse was so psyched to achieve the highest in academia,only to be frustrated in writing her masters research work for four Years(In fact her supervisor died along the way) since then hataki "ujinga" ya academia.

I know most of us here have the masters paper lakini project tunajua tuu abstract coz it was written by some freelancers.Iko chida hapo but its good to try.

In India you do your PHD in two years flat na pia unapatiwa ka bachelor/Diploma certificate upelekee mama incase she dint have any.I think its the best.



What do you mean PhD Coursework? There is no such thing!

What do you mean "time wasted"? Or did you intend to say "spent"? One cannot be "wasting time" while doing what one signed up for. That would be a contradiction in terms - and practical impossibility!
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bkismat
#29 Posted : Friday, September 21, 2012 9:05:49 AM
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kamundu wrote:
MaichBlack wrote:
Let me try to address the some of the issues raised here.

1) How do you become a Prof. This is decided by a high ranking univesity committee. You need to have a Phd., kibao research, teaching experience, supervised a good number of masters and Phd. students, have enough publications, written univesity level books or quite a number of chapters in various books etc. etc. The problem is that there is no specific/exact number and combination of these things that you must have to become a Prof. and this makes the process very subjective. Public universities have traditionally been economical when it comes to the issue of professors and as a result there are several people who have achieved the above and much more and they are still Dr. so and so.

2) Can you become a Prof. without a Phd? In Kenya, your chances are between zero and none. The Kenyan system is very rigid. Phd. then the above. If you get your professorship elsewhere and come back to Kenya, lucky you. It cannot be reversed - if it is from a recognized university.

3) How long does it take to do a Phd.? It will take you a minimum of three years even if you are doing it full time in a foreign university. In Kenya, it can take you up to ten years! I'm sure most of you read "Sitting on your papers" in the Daily Nation some time back. There are people who go to the River Road of India. Those ones I will not discuss. Hizo ni degree za kununua and they will not get you far in Kenya!!!



At the medical/dental school, you can be a prof without PHD

Can someone confirm this?
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mukiha
#30 Posted : Friday, September 21, 2012 9:06:23 AM
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Nonetheless; I am very concerned about our preoccupation with how much various professionals earn.

Is a salary all that one has to show for being in a certain profession? Is money the only output?

If yes; then "meaningless, meaningless... everything is meaningless. What do people gain from all their labuors at which they toil under the sun?" {Ecclesiastes, CAP 1, Ver 2 - 3}
Nothing is real unless it can be named; nothing has value unless it can be sold; money is worthless unless you spend it.
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