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Impunity		#21 Posted : Monday, September 10, 2012 4:42:47 PM
Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,333 Location: Masada		Jamani wrote: Impunity wrote: Jamani wrote: Why do we have to look at the worst examples.... why cant we look at Qatar Saudi, UAE etc Because they dont have negro blood flowing in their systems. Sorry, my dear if thats how you are reasoning.... people need to believe in themselves beyond colour. Respect starts from oneself and for your information a good number of the locals in UAE and Saudi are indeed black people. How many countries in Africa produce oil in substantial amounts? How many of them are prosperous? Their is something unique in us Africans,(may be most of us!) How many tribes forms the people's republic of Iran? More than Kenya I bet, but see how far they have used their oil. We as Africans has a long way to go with this oil thing. This you can take to Citi Bank. People will want to see the oil resource as "their time to eat", and not as "their time to build the country"... Portfolio: Sold You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.
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Jamani		#22 Posted : Monday, September 10, 2012 4:59:31 PM
Rank: Elder Joined: 9/12/2006 Posts: 1,554		Impunity wrote: Jamani wrote: Impunity wrote: Jamani wrote: Why do we have to look at the worst examples.... why cant we look at Qatar Saudi, UAE etc Because they dont have negro blood flowing in their systems. Sorry, my dear if thats how you are reasoning.... people need to believe in themselves beyond colour. Respect starts from oneself and for your information a good number of the locals in UAE and Saudi are indeed black people. How many countries in Africa produce oil in substantial amounts? How many of them are prosperous? Their is something unique in us Africans,(may be most of us!) How many tribes forms the people's republic of Iran? More than Kenya I bet, but see how far they have used their oil. We as Africans has a long way to go with this oil thing. This you can take to Citi Bank. People will want to see the oil resource as "their time to eat", and not as "their time to build the country"... How many countries in Africa produce oil in substantial amounts? in subsahara Africa i can only think of Nigeria. The tribes in Iran might not be more than Kenya, though its a large country compared to ours with 30 provinces a population of about 90M. I have a problem with your statement that implies black people cant manage oil proceeds just because Nigeria has issues with it. While i agree a lot has to be done by African people and govts in terms of corruption (in this regard we have a new constitution) i dont agree that we cant manage oil and i wont take that to any bank.
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GGK		#23 Posted : Monday, September 10, 2012 5:10:03 PM
Rank: Member Joined: 11/21/2006 Posts: 608 Location: Ruiru		I think the oil resource can be godsend if managed properly. Africa is leaping big.... Angola for example, though the gap between the rich and poor is still an issue, the country has achieved an annual average GDP growth of 11.1% between 2001 to 2010. Oil in Angola accounts for more than 50% of GDP, 90% of export revenue, and 80% of govt revenue. Pilferage of state oil resources will occur [even in Qatar, UAE, Saudi etc some fellas do steal money] but we are better of with this resource than without. "..I am because we are. "― Ubuntu, Umtu,
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Jamani		#24 Posted : Monday, September 10, 2012 5:25:13 PM
Rank: Elder Joined: 9/12/2006 Posts: 1,554		I agree, didnt even look at Angola thanks for the analysis GGK. I still insist we can manage oil and as stated above we are better of with this resource than without. Looking at Nigeria you will note that their oil was signed off during times when they had military dictatorship rule and they sold their wealth by binding contracts, Angola has been in war for sometime and their poverty is attributed to the war, look at them now after the killing of the rebel leader Savimbi...(details by GGK above). We are not at civil war, we have a new constitution thats seen to be effective or working and going by todays court proceedings/ruling we have confirmation that it will not a bed of roses for those who intended to eat. With this i have strong believe that we can manage our resources oil, gold, gas etc, yes we can do it even better.
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Impunity		#25 Posted : Monday, September 10, 2012 6:20:34 PM
Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,333 Location: Masada		Jamani wrote: Impunity wrote: Jamani wrote: Impunity wrote: Jamani wrote: Why do we have to look at the worst examples.... why cant we look at Qatar Saudi, UAE etc Because they dont have negro blood flowing in their systems. Sorry, my dear if thats how you are reasoning.... people need to believe in themselves beyond colour. Respect starts from oneself and for your information a good number of the locals in UAE and Saudi are indeed black people. How many countries in Africa produce oil in substantial amounts? How many of them are prosperous? Their is something unique in us Africans,(may be most of us!) How many tribes forms the people's republic of Iran? More than Kenya I bet, but see how far they have used their oil. We as Africans has a long way to go with this oil thing. This you can take to Citi Bank. People will want to see the oil resource as "their time to eat", and not as "their time to build the country"... How many countries in Africa produce oil in substantial amounts? in subsahara Africa i can only think of Nigeria. The tribes in Iran might not be more than Kenya, though its a large country compared to ours with 30 provinces a population of about 90M. I have a problem with your statement that implies black people cant manage oil proceeds just because Nigeria has issues with it. While i agree a lot has to be done by African people and govts in terms of corruption (in this regard we have a new constitution) i dont agree that we cant manage oil and i wont take that to any bank. We as sub-Saharan African have to change in a big way the manner we perceive what a national resource is. Even before the commercial value of the Turkanoil is confirmed the pokot has already laid(spl.) claim that the land is theirs. Until "we" make them view the oil-find as a natural and national resource then we have a looooong way to go...we may need two decades of tribal fighting and civil war about the oil-find for us to learn and move forward! It seems we cant learn from other people's mistake but our own. And you may now take this UNAITAS! Portfolio: Sold You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.
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Jamani		#26 Posted : Monday, September 10, 2012 6:24:31 PM
Rank: Elder Joined: 9/12/2006 Posts: 1,554		UNAITAS...hahaha...
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GGK		#27 Posted : Monday, September 10, 2012 6:41:50 PM
Rank: Member Joined: 11/21/2006 Posts: 608 Location: Ruiru		Jamani wrote: UNAITAS...hahaha... BTW: what is this UNAITAS business. I've been seeing this in many places and I've no clue [for the 1st time] Help "..I am because we are. "― Ubuntu, Umtu,
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BGL		#28 Posted : Monday, September 10, 2012 6:56:03 PM
Rank: Veteran Joined: 10/11/2009 Posts: 1,223		GGK wrote: Jamani wrote: UNAITAS...hahaha... BTW: what is this UNAITAS business. I've been seeing this in many places and I've no clue [for the 1st time] Help http://wazua.co.ke/forum.aspx?g=posts&t=19581 History will not remember you for your IQ. It will remember you for what you did. “Genius is 1 percent inspiration, 99 percent perspiration.” Thomas Edison
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Jamani		#29 Posted : Monday, September 10, 2012 6:57:51 PM
Rank: Elder Joined: 9/12/2006 Posts: 1,554		Unaitas "is You and Me" formerly or initially known as MURAMATI sacco http://www.unaitas.com/home.php
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Lolest!		#30 Posted : Monday, September 10, 2012 8:21:15 PM
Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma		Impunity wrote: We as sub-Saharan African have to change in a big way the manner we perceive what a national resource is. Even before the commercial value of the Turkanoil is confirmed the pokot has already laid(spl.) claim that the land is theirs. Until "we" make them view the oil-find as a natural and national resource then we have a looooong way to go...we may need two decades of tribal fighting and civil war about the oil-find for us to learn and move forward! It seems we cant learn from other people's mistake but our own. And you may now take this UNAITAS! These are genuine concerns. We may not like to face it but it may boil down to what you have said here We may need to find ways of appeasing locals in the areas with these resources-jobs, roads, social amenities etc or we may have a replica of what happened in Niger Delta in Nigeria. The other scary thing is the new katiba. People, even very educated fellows, have very many misconceptions concerning devolution. Now people thinks that such mineral wealth will belong to the county!
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