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Rank: Veteran Joined: 3/31/2008 Posts: 761 Location: Nairobi
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mapozi wrote:One more thing, would you mind contributing to the thread "How did you make your first million Kshs?" I think it's bound to be an insightful one. Please don't mind my questions, I think they are getting to be quite many.
Regards. Interesting question. I'll look for the post. When I admire the wonder of a sunset or the beauty of the moon, my soul expands in worship of the Creator.
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/13/2011 Posts: 5,964
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@Marty, with your permission, there is an article here that will further the cause here. Especially with the youth & their parents. PERSONAL CONCESSION http://www.investandgrow...ersonal-concession.html
Cheers.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 3/31/2008 Posts: 761 Location: Nairobi
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Will you get me out of the rat race: Part 2?Flashback: James, my good friend was to religiously jot down his daily expenses so that we properly analyze his spending habits. I made a conscious decision not to contact James so that I gauge his desire to achieve financial independence. Exactly a week before the two months elapsed, he called me and he sounded very enthusiastic. It seems he had some interesting info for me. I had devised a strategy to make him understand the need to manage his expenditure. On the material day we were to meet, I requested to pick him and we did a drive along Kangundo road all the way to Kamulu. I took him to meet another great friend called Musyoka at his home just a few meters off Kangundo road. This fellow Musyoka has worked as a messenger for one of the UN bodies for as long as I knew him. Musyoka is calm and collected and talks very little rarely giving away any info. He however took us round his homestead and James could not help but notice a very nice Massionette built on a 5 acre piece of land and behind it some green houses and further down he had some very healthy dairy cattle (around 30 of them) goats, and sheep (around 100). Musyoka also had around 800 layers and a few ducks. Towards the end of the farm was a fully equipped borehole and some huge raised tanks. After going round the farm we were given a cup of tea and soon after we left the farm as Musyoka was headed for a church meeting. We decided to get into Mwalimu farm and drove all the way up to some place where there are some waterfalls. Seated on a rock and enjoying the breeze, I recounted how I ended up knowing Musyoka several years ago after I went looking for land in Kamulu. I learnt valuable lessons from him by way of just observing him. Being a messenger and having achieved so much was astounding to say the least. He was a man of meticulous plans laid down in very specific details. Musyoka not only owns the 5 acre farm he lives in but several other tracks of land off Kangundo road. James could not believe it especially the messenger part. This was a classic case of man in control of his life despite meager earnings, a man who had carefully planned his finances and achieved enormous success. I was just setting the right tone for James before taking him to task on the assignment we agreed he’d carry out. So I told him to take me through the findings of the analysis of his expenditure. This is what he had to say: “I embarked on the exercise and religiously accounted for every shilling that left my hands. Surprisingly, over and above the obvious expenses I noted that I actually spend my cash on so many items that I was shocked at some of them. Remember I had told you about the following expenses: Helb Loan 5k, car loan 6k, unsecured loan repayment 7k, rent 13, electricity & water1k, school fees 3k and shopping 8k. The other expenses which are an average for the two months that I confirmed were quite eye opening: car fuel 3k, soft loans from friends 4k, extra food purchase at home: 2k, gas 3k, house help 3k, daily lunch in the office 2k, relatives 3k, transport to work whenever not using car 2k, wife’s errand and other personal expenses 3k, clothing for family 2k, entertainment 3k and other miscellaneous 2k. In other words, my expenses add up to 75k and mind you I earn a net of 58k. In essence there is a deficit of 17k or thereabout every month. How I managed to survive like this only God knows. I know you are about to tell me that I live beyond my means. To demonstrate how serious I have become I have decided to do a budget that fits the 58k that I earn and here it is:Helb Loan 3k (I intend to renegotiate the 5k this with my employer and HELB) Car Loan 4k (I hope to renegotiate with employer for period extension) Unsecured Loan 7k Rent 13k Elec and Water 1k School Fees 3k Shopping 6k Car fuel 2k Soft loans 2k (until I clear all of them) Extra food 2k Gas 3k Office Lunch 1k Relas 1k Fare 1.5k House help 3k Entertainment 1k Wife personal 2.5k Clothing 1.5k Misc 1k Total: 58.5k I could clearly see that my good friend had acquired a burning desire to get things right. The positives I lauded in his budget were as below: 1. Reducing the debt (albeit slowly). 2. Living within his means (albeit consuming all his net). 3. A comprehensive budget that covered nearly 100% spendings. However, I also pointed out a significant missing item which was car insurance and maintenance. I went ahead to propose the following steps to further improve it: 1. It was a hard sell but I advised James I never saw the need of him having a car at that point in time. The jalopy was quite old and despite consuming fuel and maintenance (which the budget omitted), it was courtesy of a loan. It was the type that would easily demand you employ a permanent mechanic due to frequent failures. Take note that if this jalopy is sold even for a mere 300k, the amount can offset the car loan balance and eliminate the loan repayment expense as well as fuel; would that amount to killing 3 birds with one stone despite the inconvenience of life without a car? I however promised him that with improved finances, he’ll buy a car at a later date. 2. Wouldn’t the balance arising out of the car sale repay the expensive unsecured loan? This gets painful coz he was to repay a loan which the fruits he never enjoyed. And by the way, he was due to explain to me what happened to the business that flopped. That is a lesson for another day. After much cajoling, he agreed to sell the car though this happened 3 months later. For those 3 months he was forced to go by his budget; after all he owned it. James saw the sense in what he was doing and after the car sale, his budget was as below: Helb Loan 3k Rent 13k Elec and Water 1k School Fees 3k Shopping 6k Car fuel 2k Soft loans 2k Extra food 2k Gas 3k Office Lunch 1k Relas 1k Fare 3k House help 3k Entertainment 1k Wife personal 2.5k Clothing 1.5k Misc 2k Saving / investment 8k Total: 58k When we met after the car sale, he looked jovial and bubbling with a bit of energy and did not display any annoyance arising from using the matatus or route 11. Of course I had a reason to celebrate. After all, I saw an item that generated quite some discussion. The saving / investment item of 8k was something that in a small and big way showed that James had overcome a very big hurdle. I could not believe it when he asked me what to do with that 8k. I threw the question back to him and asked him what he thought was a good thing to do?? At this point please note that James had already dealt with several little foxes namely: 1. He certainly had a grip of his expenses. 2. He was certainly living below his means and had dealt with troublesome debts. 3. He was now saving / investing 8k per month. 4. Any future pay rise I’d bet my small toe that it’d go towards further investments. Those who know about budgets will tell you, the budget is nowhere near a perfect one but at least James was getting somewhere. By the way, even his drinking was no longer targeted at drowning his sorrows but to entertain himself. However he still had no clear financial goals and no set targets. His net worth was now near zero (at least he was almost crossing towards the positive net worth). Next post will be on what he decided regarding the 8k per month available for saving / investing, how he set goals, short and long term. I also taught him how to calculate his net worth. With the 8k, he seemed aimed at paying himself first. A turn around for him but he still has a long way to go. I wondered whether he had started enjoying his job but I decided I’ll ask him that much later. From deep inside my heart, I wished him well in his journey of a thousand miles that he’d only taken the first few steps. I hoped that he’ll enjoy the walk and live to tell a story. When I admire the wonder of a sunset or the beauty of the moon, my soul expands in worship of the Creator.
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Rank: New-farer Joined: 1/3/2011 Posts: 67 Location: nairobi
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This is a reality check 101 on personal finances. Thanks Marty...keep up the good work of spreading the word.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/28/2006 Posts: 1,799
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Marty... Quite creepy... feels like u are talking about me.... Good work though....
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 3/31/2008 Posts: 761 Location: Nairobi
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Great read @cde. The best thing about investing while young is being able to make mistakes that will not kill you financially. Great and successful business people, show early signs even while in school. Did u know that Njenga Karume used to sell books to his mates. He could source for them at a cheaper price and sell at a price lower that the school canteen. Back then when we were in High school, we used to buy a full loaf at 14 bob, cut it into 4 pieces and sell each at 5 bob. It was therefore easy to survive despite getting very kidogo pocket money. People also underestimate the power of investment clubs. I joined one when we were bachelors 6 yrs ago. The club was converted into a real estate company and we now built units for sale and sell plots. The future looks really bright for that group. When I admire the wonder of a sunset or the beauty of the moon, my soul expands in worship of the Creator.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/20/2011 Posts: 1,820 Location: Nakuru
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Marty wrote:Will you get me out of the rat race: Part 2?
Flashback: James, my good friend was to religiously jot down his daily expenses so that we properly analyze his spending habits.
I made a conscious decision not to contact James so that I gauge his desire to achieve financial independence. Exactly a week before the two months elapsed, he called me and he sounded very enthusiastic. It seems he had some interesting info for me.
I had devised a strategy to make him understand the need to manage his expenditure. On the material day we were to meet, I requested to pick him and we did a drive along Kangundo road all the way to Kamulu. I took him to meet another great friend called Musyoka at his home just a few meters off Kangundo road. This fellow Musyoka has worked as a messenger for one of the UN bodies for as long as I knew him. Musyoka is calm and collected and talks very little rarely giving away any info. He however took us round his homestead and James could not help but notice a very nice Massionette built on a 5 acre piece of land and behind it some green houses and further down he had some very healthy dairy cattle (around 30 of them) goats, and sheep (around 100). Musyoka also had around 800 layers and a few ducks. Towards the end of the farm was a fully equipped borehole and some huge raised tanks. After going round the farm we were given a cup of tea and soon after we left the farm as Musyoka was headed for a church meeting. We decided to get into Mwalimu farm and drove all the way up to some place where there are some waterfalls.
Seated on a rock and enjoying the breeze, I recounted how I ended up knowing Musyoka several years ago after I went looking for land in Kamulu. I learnt valuable lessons from him by way of just observing him. Being a messenger and having achieved so much was astounding to say the least. He was a man of meticulous plans laid down in very specific details. Musyoka not only owns the 5 acre farm he lives in but several other tracks of land off Kangundo road. James could not believe it especially the messenger part. This was a classic case of man in control of his life despite meager earnings, a man who had carefully planned his finances and achieved enormous success. I was just setting the right tone for James before taking him to task on the assignment we agreed he’d carry out.
So I told him to take me through the findings of the analysis of his expenditure. This is what he had to say:
“I embarked on the exercise and religiously accounted for every shilling that left my hands. Surprisingly, over and above the obvious expenses I noted that I actually spend my cash on so many items that I was shocked at some of them. Remember I had told you about the following expenses: Helb Loan 5k, car loan 6k, unsecured loan repayment 7k, rent 13, electricity & water1k, school fees 3k and shopping 8k. The other expenses which are an average for the two months that I confirmed were quite eye opening: car fuel 3k, soft loans from friends 4k, extra food purchase at home: 2k, gas 3k, house help 3k, daily lunch in the office 2k, relatives 3k, transport to work whenever not using car 2k, wife’s errand and other personal expenses 3k, clothing for family 2k, entertainment 3k and other miscellaneous 2k. In other words, my expenses add up to 75k and mind you I earn a net of 58k. In essence there is a deficit of 17k or thereabout every month. How I managed to survive like this only God knows. I know you are about to tell me that I live beyond my means. To demonstrate how serious I have become I have decided to do a budget that fits the 58k that I earn and here it is:
Helb Loan 3k (I intend to renegotiate the 5k this with my employer and HELB) Car Loan 4k (I hope to renegotiate with employer for period extension) Unsecured Loan 7k Rent 13k Elec and Water 1k School Fees 3k Shopping 6k Car fuel 2k Soft loans 2k (until I clear all of them) Extra food 2k Gas 3k Office Lunch 1k Relas 1k Fare 1.5k House help 3k Entertainment 1k Wife personal 2.5k Clothing 1.5k Misc 1k Total: 58.5k
I could clearly see that my good friend had acquired a burning desire to get things right. The positives I lauded in his budget were as below: 1. Reducing the debt (albeit slowly). 2. Living within his means (albeit consuming all his net). 3. A comprehensive budget that covered nearly 100% spendings. However, I also pointed out a significant missing item which was car insurance and maintenance. I went ahead to propose the following steps to further improve it:
1. It was a hard sell but I advised James I never saw the need of him having a car at that point in time. The jalopy was quite old and despite consuming fuel and maintenance (which the budget omitted), it was courtesy of a loan. It was the type that would easily demand you employ a permanent mechanic due to frequent failures. Take note that if this jalopy is sold even for a mere 300k, the amount can offset the car loan balance and eliminate the loan repayment expense as well as fuel; would that amount to killing 3 birds with one stone despite the inconvenience of life without a car? I however promised him that with improved finances, he’ll buy a car at a later date.
2. Wouldn’t the balance arising out of the car sale repay the expensive unsecured loan? This gets painful coz he was to repay a loan which the fruits he never enjoyed. And by the way, he was due to explain to me what happened to the business that flopped. That is a lesson for another day.
After much cajoling, he agreed to sell the car though this happened 3 months later. For those 3 months he was forced to go by his budget; after all he owned it.
James saw the sense in what he was doing and after the car sale, his budget was as below:
Helb Loan 3k Rent 13k Elec and Water 1k School Fees 3k Shopping 6k Car fuel 2k Soft loans 2k Extra food 2k Gas 3k Office Lunch 1k Relas 1k Fare 3k House help 3k Entertainment 1k Wife personal 2.5k Clothing 1.5k Misc 2k Saving / investment 8k Total: 58k
When we met after the car sale, he looked jovial and bubbling with a bit of energy and did not display any annoyance arising from using the matatus or route 11. Of course I had a reason to celebrate. After all, I saw an item that generated quite some discussion. The saving / investment item of 8k was something that in a small and big way showed that James had overcome a very big hurdle. I could not believe it when he asked me what to do with that 8k. I threw the question back to him and asked him what he thought was a good thing to do?? At this point please note that James had already dealt with several little foxes namely: 1. He certainly had a grip of his expenses. 2. He was certainly living below his means and had dealt with troublesome debts. 3. He was now saving / investing 8k per month. 4. Any future pay rise I’d bet my small toe that it’d go towards further investments.
Those who know about budgets will tell you, the budget is nowhere near a perfect one but at least James was getting somewhere.
By the way, even his drinking was no longer targeted at drowning his sorrows but to entertain himself.
However he still had no clear financial goals and no set targets. His net worth was now near zero (at least he was almost crossing towards the positive net worth).
Next post will be on what he decided regarding the 8k per month available for saving / investing, how he set goals, short and long term. I also taught him how to calculate his net worth. With the 8k, he seemed aimed at paying himself first. A turn around for him but he still has a long way to go. I wondered whether he had started enjoying his job but I decided I’ll ask him that much later. From deep inside my heart, I wished him well in his journey of a thousand miles that he’d only taken the first few steps. I hoped that he’ll enjoy the walk and live to tell a story.
Where is the "LIKE" boutton when you need one? Dumb money becomes dumb only when it listens to smart money
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Rank: New-farer Joined: 8/25/2010 Posts: 97 Location: Kenya
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Cool beans Marty. Kindly send to abunuasis@gmail.com
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Marty wrote:Will you get me out of the rat race: Part 2?
Flashback: James, my good friend was to religiously jot down his daily expenses so that we properly analyze his spending habits.
I made a conscious decision not to contact James so that I gauge his desire to achieve financial independence. Exactly a week before the two months elapsed, he called me and he sounded very enthusiastic. It seems he had some interesting info for me.
I had devised a strategy to make him understand the need to manage his expenditure. On the material day we were to meet, I requested to pick him and we did a drive along Kangundo road all the way to Kamulu. I took him to meet another great friend called Musyoka at his home just a few meters off Kangundo road. This fellow Musyoka has worked as a messenger for one of the UN bodies for as long as I knew him. Musyoka is calm and collected and talks very little rarely giving away any info. He however took us round his homestead and James could not help but notice a very nice Massionette built on a 5 acre piece of land and behind it some green houses and further down he had some very healthy dairy cattle (around 30 of them) goats, and sheep (around 100). Musyoka also had around 800 layers and a few ducks. Towards the end of the farm was a fully equipped borehole and some huge raised tanks. After going round the farm we were given a cup of tea and soon after we left the farm as Musyoka was headed for a church meeting. We decided to get into Mwalimu farm and drove all the way up to some place where there are some waterfalls.
Seated on a rock and enjoying the breeze, I recounted how I ended up knowing Musyoka several years ago after I went looking for land in Kamulu. I learnt valuable lessons from him by way of just observing him. Being a messenger and having achieved so much was astounding to say the least. He was a man of meticulous plans laid down in very specific details. Musyoka not only owns the 5 acre farm he lives in but several other tracks of land off Kangundo road. James could not believe it especially the messenger part. This was a classic case of man in control of his life despite meager earnings, a man who had carefully planned his finances and achieved enormous success. I was just setting the right tone for James before taking him to task on the assignment we agreed he’d carry out.
So I told him to take me through the findings of the analysis of his expenditure. This is what he had to say:
“I embarked on the exercise and religiously accounted for every shilling that left my hands. Surprisingly, over and above the obvious expenses I noted that I actually spend my cash on so many items that I was shocked at some of them. Remember I had told you about the following expenses: Helb Loan 5k, car loan 6k, unsecured loan repayment 7k, rent 13, electricity & water1k, school fees 3k and shopping 8k. The other expenses which are an average for the two months that I confirmed were quite eye opening: car fuel 3k, soft loans from friends 4k, extra food purchase at home: 2k, gas 3k, house help 3k, daily lunch in the office 2k, relatives 3k, transport to work whenever not using car 2k, wife’s errand and other personal expenses 3k, clothing for family 2k, entertainment 3k and other miscellaneous 2k. In other words, my expenses add up to 75k and mind you I earn a net of 58k. In essence there is a deficit of 17k or thereabout every month. How I managed to survive like this only God knows. I know you are about to tell me that I live beyond my means. To demonstrate how serious I have become I have decided to do a budget that fits the 58k that I earn and here it is:
Helb Loan 3k (I intend to renegotiate the 5k this with my employer and HELB) Car Loan 4k (I hope to renegotiate with employer for period extension) Unsecured Loan 7k Rent 13k Elec and Water 1k School Fees 3k Shopping 6k Car fuel 2k Soft loans 2k (until I clear all of them) Extra food 2k Gas 3k Office Lunch 1k Relas 1k Fare 1.5k House help 3k Entertainment 1k Wife personal 2.5k Clothing 1.5k Misc 1k Total: 58.5k
I could clearly see that my good friend had acquired a burning desire to get things right. The positives I lauded in his budget were as below: 1. Reducing the debt (albeit slowly). 2. Living within his means (albeit consuming all his net). 3. A comprehensive budget that covered nearly 100% spendings. However, I also pointed out a significant missing item which was car insurance and maintenance. I went ahead to propose the following steps to further improve it:
1. It was a hard sell but I advised James I never saw the need of him having a car at that point in time. The jalopy was quite old and despite consuming fuel and maintenance (which the budget omitted), it was courtesy of a loan. It was the type that would easily demand you employ a permanent mechanic due to frequent failures. Take note that if this jalopy is sold even for a mere 300k, the amount can offset the car loan balance and eliminate the loan repayment expense as well as fuel; would that amount to killing 3 birds with one stone despite the inconvenience of life without a car? I however promised him that with improved finances, he’ll buy a car at a later date.
2. Wouldn’t the balance arising out of the car sale repay the expensive unsecured loan? This gets painful coz he was to repay a loan which the fruits he never enjoyed. And by the way, he was due to explain to me what happened to the business that flopped. That is a lesson for another day.
After much cajoling, he agreed to sell the car though this happened 3 months later. For those 3 months he was forced to go by his budget; after all he owned it.
James saw the sense in what he was doing and after the car sale, his budget was as below:
Helb Loan 3k Rent 13k Elec and Water 1k School Fees 3k Shopping 6k Car fuel 2k Soft loans 2k Extra food 2k Gas 3k Office Lunch 1k Relas 1k Fare 3k House help 3k Entertainment 1k Wife personal 2.5k Clothing 1.5k Misc 2k Saving / investment 8k Total: 58k
When we met after the car sale, he looked jovial and bubbling with a bit of energy and did not display any annoyance arising from using the matatus or route 11. Of course I had a reason to celebrate. After all, I saw an item that generated quite some discussion. The saving / investment item of 8k was something that in a small and big way showed that James had overcome a very big hurdle. I could not believe it when he asked me what to do with that 8k. I threw the question back to him and asked him what he thought was a good thing to do?? At this point please note that James had already dealt with several little foxes namely: 1. He certainly had a grip of his expenses. 2. He was certainly living below his means and had dealt with troublesome debts. 3. He was now saving / investing 8k per month. 4. Any future pay rise I’d bet my small toe that it’d go towards further investments.
Those who know about budgets will tell you, the budget is nowhere near a perfect one but at least James was getting somewhere.
By the way, even his drinking was no longer targeted at drowning his sorrows but to entertain himself.
However he still had no clear financial goals and no set targets. His net worth was now near zero (at least he was almost crossing towards the positive net worth).
Next post will be on what he decided regarding the 8k per month available for saving / investing, how he set goals, short and long term. I also taught him how to calculate his net worth. With the 8k, he seemed aimed at paying himself first. A turn around for him but he still has a long way to go. I wondered whether he had started enjoying his job but I decided I’ll ask him that much later. From deep inside my heart, I wished him well in his journey of a thousand miles that he’d only taken the first few steps. I hoped that he’ll enjoy the walk and live to tell a story.
@Marty having gone through the new budget of James, i think the savings/Investment should be Kes 10000 as there is included 2K for fuel yet the car is already sold. Cann't wait to read where the savings has been invested for a few tips and advice. The problem with the world is that the intelligent people are full of doubts while the stupid ones are full of confidence
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@Marty, Good work.Is this a true story ama its fiction?I read somewhere that Kiyosaki's Rich Dad Poor Dad is actually fictional account..
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Rank: Member Joined: 4/21/2011 Posts: 119
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@Marty, you never disappoint. The thread on how you made your first 1 million Kshs. is on the following link. http://www.wazua.co.ke/f...spx?g=posts&t=11054
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Rank: Member Joined: 4/21/2011 Posts: 119
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kamundu wrote:I'm not a financial guru, but this are the basics An ideal family budget ( combined incomes of you and your spouse ) Living expenses about 60 % of which 15% is your rent and also includes food, clothing , fuel , school fees Short term investment 10% Long term investment which (includes mortgage )15% ( how I wonder how guys are affording 20M houses!) Tithe 10% Unforeseen expenses 5% Are we talking about gross or net income? Where would you classify expenses such as paying loans(e.g. HELB, personal, car, SACCO etc)
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 3/31/2008 Posts: 761 Location: Nairobi
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Chaka wrote:@Marty, Good work.Is this a true story ama its fiction?I read somewhere that Kiyosaki's Rich Dad Poor Dad is actually fictional account.. This is a true story. James is real and maybe he is a wazua member. I'll ask him. The name has of course been changed. When I admire the wonder of a sunset or the beauty of the moon, my soul expands in worship of the Creator.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 3/31/2008 Posts: 761 Location: Nairobi
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Noted. I'll mention how I made in the next post. Strangely when I look at it with benefit of hindsight, it looks pretty simple but I can tell you it was not easy When I admire the wonder of a sunset or the beauty of the moon, my soul expands in worship of the Creator.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 3/31/2008 Posts: 761 Location: Nairobi
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@QD. Thanks for noticing the mistake. I am trying to recall the figures, but I remember the fellow had 8k set aside for that. I may not have a photographic memory but we'll learn from this old friend of mine and how he made a turn around. When I admire the wonder of a sunset or the beauty of the moon, my soul expands in worship of the Creator.
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Rank: Member Joined: 3/26/2012 Posts: 232 Location: Nairobi
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@Marty Feel like you are talking about me a year ago.. Kindly email simonejulius@yahoo.com Thanks for the posts My folks told me that my very first word was 'billionaire'
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@Marty, I believe James could have saved a bit more by telling his wife to chop her hair!(When I tried telling my spouse to do this some time back,she flatly refused and told me that maintaining short hair is more expensive that going to the salon.Can the ladies in wazua confirm this)?
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@Marty Is this personal financial planning for broke people? or this is a weekly budget? The last time I was in Kenyan Road, I spend 7k every week for fuel and another 10k on food, weekly! Or is the numbers real prices, i.e before inflation!
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Chaka wrote:@Marty, Good work.Is this a true story ama its fiction?I read somewhere that Kiyosaki's Rich Dad Poor Dad is actually fictional account.. Pure fiction! Robert kick-you-in-the-sacki makes his money selling books...surprise
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Chaka wrote:@Marty, Good work.Is this a true story ama its fiction?I read somewhere that Kiyosaki's Rich Dad Poor Dad is actually fictional account.. Pure fiction! Robert kick-you-in-the-sacki makes his money selling books...surprise
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