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Kibaki and Muthaura humiliated!!!
mkenyan
#41 Posted : Thursday, September 17, 2009 11:01:00 AM
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A smart Judge who would go through all the court files before appearing in court; a sharp mind with a respectful attitude towards some of the most idiotic advocates to appear before any court on land (okay a bit exaggerated as he could royally put you in your place); a well dressed gray haired man who did not bother to sink to the level of dying his hair.

Those were my impressions of Ringera before he went onto his now infamous escapades on that Corruption Inquisition and the currently contested one.

Now when I heard that he was re-appointed I was quite happy with that. To me anything that keeps him away from the Bench is welcome.Coz I believed that if he was not re-appointed he was going to go back to the Court of Appeal and if he were to resign today he will most likely be taken back to the Court of Appeal. I do not want to see that guy anywhere near the Bench.

And those who want Wako out,be careful what you wish for - his replacement would be entirely picked by Kibaki.

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Mr.Tea
#42 Posted : Thursday, September 17, 2009 11:06:00 AM
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Welcome back Nancy and congratulations for your level-head.

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Patience Pays In Guaranteed Checks.
mkenyan
#43 Posted : Thursday, September 17, 2009 11:07:00 AM
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Nanfor,you raise a good point but no court would void any transaction because Parliament 'voided' a gazette notice. As it stands now the lawyers can argue both ways on that fact until the proverbial cows come home. Further it would take a lot of political muscle for one to move enough number of MPs to void the gazette notice for your change of name.

On the powers of Parliament,you may want to have a look at the system in the UK where they do not have the Supremacy of the Constituion but more like the Supremacy of Parliament.

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wote
#44 Posted : Thursday, September 17, 2009 11:19:00 AM
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@mpenzi,i think you are wasting my time. why do i say so? i have clearly stated that parliament in its delibarations,it does not require a law but rather standing orders to ascertain whether they can vote on a matter or not. You are insisting that there must a law then give it to us.

on a light note why don't simply post all our parliamentary standing orders on sk and i shall point out which is relevant in this current situation.



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#45 Posted : Thursday, September 17, 2009 11:37:00 AM
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Since the Gazzete notice has been effectively annuled,is it possible for someone to challenge the legality of Ringera holding that office in a court of law?

Peace to all men of Goodwill
Brewer
#46 Posted : Thursday, September 17, 2009 11:49:00 AM
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Wote,just admit it,you know not what law or standing order you,yourself and only you raised as the basis of what transpired.

The tragedy with our nation is that the ground shifts under our feet and just like those fellas singing in the titanic while it sank we continue to mouth the politicians ballad and refuse to recognise the enormity of our calamity.
masukuma
#47 Posted : Thursday, September 17, 2009 11:49:00 AM
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parliament has voted to annul ringera's re-appointment...but can they?
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Spend.thrift
#48 Posted : Thursday, September 17, 2009 11:54:00 AM
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@ Nanfor,

Don't I love your mind? Of course I do...many Kenyans always miss the point in many of the crises facing us....but of course no shocker because the MPs come from this lot of Kenyans.

Nanfor,for your kind of mind,you must have been born on Christmas day,where as a 'supposed' infant,you were wondering what the hell adults were doing to celebrate the birth of Christ.....even then they had missed the point and made it a commercial break. Noel!

My busaa or milf offer still remains.


We tenda wema kisha wende zako. Usinipe macho ya kutarajia shukrani!!!
masukuma
#49 Posted : Thursday, September 17, 2009 11:56:00 AM
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The truth is that the only ways ringera can get out of office are
1. Ringera resigns.
2. High court rules that it an illegality was performed and the Executive executes that ruling.
3. Ringera dies.
4. KACC is disbanded.
5. The Executive forms a tribunal to fire Ringera

none of the above have anything to do with parliament directly...parliament would indirectly cause this if they froze funds.
what we saw yesterday was a loud display of displeasure but not necessarily an automatic way out for ringera. Kibaki can choose to ignore the ruling.
All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
Sober
#50 Posted : Thursday, September 17, 2009 12:10:00 PM
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You will make noise and at the end of it all kibaki will triumph. The main intention of the re-appointment had nothing to do with the KACC,be bright and stop thinking like primary school kids who make decisions basing on what they are seein. Wait and see

A likely impossibility is always preferable to an unconvincing posibility.
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jitetee
#51 Posted : Thursday, September 17, 2009 3:10:00 PM
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@nanfor - You are so on the money. I too do not see what the excitement is all about.

This is just the continuation of a mega political circus. I can bet you that if and when someone else is appointed to the position,the ineffectiveness of KACC will disappear from the headlines until the expiry of the new Director's term. And this vicious cycle can go on for a very very very long time....

I do not like Ringera and think he is a failure but bottomline,the problem is institutional: something that Bunge has the power to change. Of course you can forget believing that can ever happen as long as the biggest corruption suspects in Kenya are all mheshimiwas.

Anyone still wonder why Kenya willl still be singing about being at par with South Korea in the 60's even 100 years from now? Actually at that time the comparison might be with Rwanda.

Time and chance happen to all.
B.Timer
#52 Posted : Thursday, September 17, 2009 3:35:00 PM
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@Wote,Mpenzi & Brewer,
Who is wasting whose time? He he he.

Out of raw anger,Parliament did what they didnt have any locus standii to do.
As such their effort and time is not good for...much.
What they did,amount s to a mere opinion of the house.
It is not good enough to get Ringera out of the job.
If they really want Ringera gone,their recourse lies in starving KACC of funds,eventually collapsing it - a defeatist move if you ask me.
Otherwise in law they have no power to get him out - in the sense of sacking.
Citing standing orders 5to justify this,is laughable to say the least.
Standing orders are REGULATIONS OF THE HOUSE.
They only apply to MPs and their conduct in relation to the house business.

Alternatively though,MPs could repeal the law upon which KACC is anchored,and disband it as a result.
Until they do this,Ringera may choose to continue showing them the middle finger!

I say all the above,not because Ringera is a darling of mine. Far from it.
I hold the opinion that in so far as corruption is concerned,Ringera is part of the problem.
I am also aware that even if he did his job perfectly well,and Wako stopped the flow of the process,as he is wont of doing,his efforts would still come to nought.
Kibaki is obviously aware of all these nauseating bottle-necks,but he is happy with them right in place!
Who will help us.


B.timer
Dunia ni msongamano..
Kaigangio
#53 Posted : Thursday, September 17, 2009 4:01:00 PM
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hey guys,

aren't you viewing the ringera issue as a diversion to the real burning issue...the thorny tribunal formation....for the last two weeks the mpigs have pre-occupied their minds with the illegalities of ringera's reappointment and forgot that they have until September 30th deadline to form the tribunal....or could there be something else in the offing????


NEVER TALK OF A RHINO IF THERE IS NO TREE NEAREBY - ZULU PROVERB
...besides, the presence of a safe alone does not signify that there is money inside...
Sophia
#54 Posted : Friday, September 18, 2009 3:24:00 PM
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I agree that personalising issues is not the way to go,rather we need to reform our institituons.however even with the limited powers he has,ringera has completely failed to demonstrate even meagre results.all he ever does is complain.and ofcourse there is the perception that his reappointment has everything to do with the president wanting to protect an elite group around him that have engaged in dubious acts over the years.

my point.ringera,wako etc must go.but even more important is a new constitution that removes imperial powers from the presidency and ensures public appointees are accountable to their taxpayer employers and NOT the executive.
wote
#55 Posted : Tuesday, September 22, 2009 8:05:00 AM
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B.timer am really shocked you would say that parliament that represents all contituents of our beloved Republic 'lacks' locus standi/ legal right on this matter,so who does then? its a res ipso loquitur issue.

Standing orders-( Parliamentary Standing Orders are the rules that govern the operation of official business in Parliament-definition from webster dictionary)

Brewer/mpenzi,let me do this for you guys pro bono,if you go to the east African law report 1966,case of Paul Ngei v Republic( The maize scandal case) you find your answer in it in black and white.

In this case Parliament anullied the President's decission to appoint Paul Ngei to the cabinet because he had been involved in the maize scandal. He went to court which actually ruled in his favour that it was entirely okay for the Presinednt to have appointed him to the cabinet.

Parliament over turned the courts decission,an act that was later assented to as law by Kenyatta thus costing Ngei his Kangundo seat. After that parliamentary ruling,a by election was held and someone esle become an M.P for Kangundo. Kenyatta later on used his Presidential mercy to pardon Ngei.

This case also forms a big part in the book Public law and Political Change in Kenya by one Yash Pal.




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Mpenzi
#56 Posted : Tuesday, September 22, 2009 8:12:00 AM
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@wote
for the upteenth time we ask of you - please quote the provision of law that allows parliament to nullify a gazette notice. stop obscuring this straightforward question by quoting cases.
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