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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/7/2010 Posts: 2,148 Location: elderville
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Mblue wrote:Impunity wrote:Mblue wrote:Some things are not adding up. If the said meeting was meant to organize for retaliatory attacks, how come it was held before the elections? Hii ni domo tu! It was held (are u sure?) mapema just in case, this was forward planning.The power that-be were not just seating there and ng'ethiaring waiting to be thwacked!  With what was at stake (losing power to a jaruo), believe you me Kibz would have been convinced to hold such meeting. Jaruos are feared all over Kenya. The key word here is "retaliatory". Do not harp on that too much. That is probably relevant in as far as showing that that was the genesis or culmination of Muthaura and Uhuru gaining control of the Organisation (Mungiki). It would thus be key in the Judges concluding that the two had control of Mungiki. If that is the case then in as far as the first meeting is concerned 'retaliatory' cannot be the key word. On Kibaki's involvement, it wont surprise me if he was actually there, if such a meeting took place. However he was probably told and believed that they were the youth that were to help him campaign for his re-election or just some youth with complaints. It is not like he would personally vet every person he is to meet to ensure that his handlers gave him the right information. Which president does that anyway? Going by the zeal that his government went after the Mungiki (extra-judicial killings of the innocent youth) I would be surprised if he got into bed with them. He who can express in words the ardour of his love, has but little love to express. - Petrach, Son. (That men by various ways arrive at the same end. - Montaigne, The Essays of.)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi
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Elder wrote:Mblue wrote:Impunity wrote:Mblue wrote:Some things are not adding up. If the said meeting was meant to organize for retaliatory attacks, how come it was held before the elections? Hii ni domo tu! It was held (are u sure?) mapema just in case, this was forward planning.The power that-be were not just seating there and ng'ethiaring waiting to be thwacked! With what was at stake (losing power to a jaruo), believe you me Kibz would have been convinced to hold such meeting. Jaruos are feared all over Kenya. The key word here is "retaliatory". Do not harp on that too much. That is probably relevant in as far as showing that that was the genesis or culmination of Muthaura and Uhuru gaining control of the Organisation (Mungiki). It would thus be key in the Judges concluding that the two had control of Mungiki. If that is the case then in as far as the first meeting is concerned 'retaliatory' cannot be the key word. On Kibaki's involvement, it wont surprise me if he was actually there, if such a meeting took place. However he was probably told and believed that they were the youth that were to help him campaign for his re-election or just some youth with complaints. It is not like he would personally vet every person he is to meet to ensure that his handlers gave him the right information. Which president does that anyway? Going by the zeal that his government went after the Mungiki (extra-judicial killings of the innocent youth) I would be surprised if he got into bed with them. at no time has this gava ever been in bed with the mungiki and i will prove using deductive reasoning. 1 - Gava from 2003 has been killing Mungiki bila changuaring - refer to Special Rapporteur on extrajudicial Phillip Alston's report. you can see reports to this documented as late as http://www.genocidewatch...ed_of_Mass_Killings.pdf
2- If Gava were to arm Mungiki or anyone, wouldn't they give the Guns and bullets and not Pangas or silly arrows that belong to the stone age? The only reason that this story is in court is - Mungiki has suffered (really suffered) under Kibaki's gava, remember Kwekwe squad? and they have finally found a way to inflict pain. All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi
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The Chaos in Naivasha and Nakuru was spontaneous retaliation. I wish admin could unarchive the thread we had on SK on which I reported - Realtime on what was happening in those 2 towns. All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/20/2007 Posts: 4,432
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masukuma and co....who cares! You can go to the ICC and give your evidence. You had a whole year to do so. If ICC is not good enough, then form a tribunal here! Hizi kelele za who started what are so boring. We are tired. Tell muthamaki and co to go to the Hague and tell their "truth" there. Or better still, go to the CID and tell them. If its true, I'm sure Tobiko will institute a case. Jose: If I make it through this thug life, I'll see you one day. The Lord is the only way to stop the hurt.
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Rank: Member Joined: 9/30/2011 Posts: 483
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alma wrote:masukuma and co....who cares!
You can go to the ICC and give your evidence. You had a whole year to do so.
If ICC is not good enough, then form a tribunal here!
Hizi kelele za who started what are so boring. We are tired.
Tell muthamaki and co to go to the Hague and tell their "truth" there. Or better still, go to the CID and tell them. If its true, I'm sure Tobiko will institute a case. I care, and you are sounding bitter, relax.
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Rank: Member Joined: 3/12/2008 Posts: 215
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Being aware of the crimes that Mungiki has meted on helpless Kenyans, I have always harbored some disdain for Uhuru for his alleged association with the sect. But I do not buy the claim that Kibaki knowingly hosted a meeting with Mungiki to plan the retaliatory attacks. In fact, the claim that Mungiki could be using the ICC cases to settle a score with Kibaki for the way his government has dealt with them sounds more credible to me. And if this is the case, it may actually be disastrous for the prosecution because the threshold in securing a conviction during the actual trials will be much higher than during the confirmation hearings. If the prosecution does not address some of the glaring inconsistencies in its evidence, it is likely that some if not all of the 4 suspects will walk.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/27/2011 Posts: 1,777
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Mblue wrote:Some things are not adding up. If the said meeting was meant to organize for retaliatory attacks, how come it was held before the elections? Hii ni domo tu! Maybe in the movie they knew beforehand that the other guys were planning attacks after the election results were out and only if they were 'rigged', so they had to come up with some retaliatory strategy as they prepared for that eventuality.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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kimiri wrote:Being aware of the crimes that Mungiki has meted on helpless Kenyans, I have always harbored some disdain for Uhuru for his alleged association with the sect. But I do not buy the claim that Kibaki knowingly hosted a meeting with Mungiki to plan the retaliatory attacks. In fact, the claim that Mungiki could be using the ICC cases to settle a score with Kibaki for the way his government has dealt with them sounds more credible to me. And if this is the case, it may actually be disastrous for the prosecution because the threshold in securing a conviction during the actual trials will be much higher than during the confirmation hearings. If the prosecution does not address some of the glaring inconsistencies in its evidence, it is likely that some if not all of the 4 suspects will walk. Very possible. The war on Mungiki was around 2005-2007. But is it also possible that they mended fences over the election? Could Kibaki have invited the goons to get their few votes(how many are the ngiki anyway?) Maina and Mungiki's association with Raila also makes their claims suspect.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/17/2008 Posts: 23,365 Location: Nairobi
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kimiri wrote:Being aware of the crimes that Mungiki has meted on helpless Kenyans, I have always harbored some disdain for Uhuru for his alleged association with the sect. But I do not buy the claim that Kibaki knowingly hosted a meeting with Mungiki to plan the retaliatory attacks. In fact, the claim that Mungiki could be using the ICC cases to settle a score with Kibaki for the way his government has dealt with them sounds more credible to me. And if this is the case, it may actually be disastrous for the prosecution because the threshold in securing a conviction during the actual trials will be much higher than during the confirmation hearings. If the prosecution does not address some of the glaring inconsistencies in its evidence, it is likely that some if not all of the 4 suspects will walk. .......so he probabli hosted them unknowingly!!!! ..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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Lolest! wrote:kimiri wrote:Being aware of the crimes that Mungiki has meted on helpless Kenyans, I have always harbored some disdain for Uhuru for his alleged association with the sect. But I do not buy the claim that Kibaki knowingly hosted a meeting with Mungiki to plan the retaliatory attacks. In fact, the claim that Mungiki could be using the ICC cases to settle a score with Kibaki for the way his government has dealt with them sounds more credible to me. And if this is the case, it may actually be disastrous for the prosecution because the threshold in securing a conviction during the actual trials will be much higher than during the confirmation hearings. If the prosecution does not address some of the glaring inconsistencies in its evidence, it is likely that some if not all of the 4 suspects will walk. Very possible. The war on Mungiki was around 2005-2007. But is it also possible that they mended fences over the election? Could Kibaki have invited the goons to get their few votes(how many are the ngiki anyway?) Maina and Mungiki's association with Raila also makes their claims suspect. I remember RAO visited Njenga in prison and gave him some funny book, its really surprising that most of us can never smell a rat....... Life is an endless adventure
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