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Kenya’s lost moment and the arrival of the Chinese company
sparkly
#21 Posted : Saturday, December 03, 2011 9:32:45 AM
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eboomerang wrote:
Gathige wrote:
@eboomerang

Nice article sir....

The Chinese model is basically a "government in business". The state literally owns a stake in each major company and foreign operations financed through state banks.

My 2 cents!

Thank you and your comments are spot on!

I have been circumventing to also raise this point but glad you brought it up.



all the projects are funded by EXIIM bank, after the GOK signs a MOU with the PRC govt.
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'user'
#22 Posted : Saturday, December 03, 2011 10:07:20 AM
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simonkabz wrote:
Very informed article. But with the kind of works done by the ministry of public works, I beg to sleep.

the type of greed we have with kenyans from small to big we are doomed. good ideas but they just remain that.

@ eb ...the comment on black niggaz in your blog reflects the reality on the ground.give a nigga 50 m for roads he will buy a 35m plot in karen transfer 10 m to jersey .put 2m in bank for the court judges and police and 3m for wheelbarrows.yes only 3m will go the road.

there are many good policy documents gathering dust in govt offices.

we all know what should be done

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dunkang
#23 Posted : Sunday, December 04, 2011 2:05:02 PM
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Am yet to read the whole article, but as a local engineer working in South Sudan, am obliged to reply.

First, the system is a mess. Thats is the engineering system in Kenya. If you have to do the Thika Road, you will be required to;

i. Study at University of Nairobi for your BSc. (this is so for you to be registered as an Engineer),

ii. practice under a very, very, very old engineer for at least 5 years ( the engineers act require only 3 years, but you wont't manage the professional interview with them)

iii. buy, copy and adjust project design reports, drawings and calculations from other 'non-registerable' well educated kenyans

iv. know someone in the interviewing panel,

v. Head to registrar of companies and register one,

vi. Head to Ministry of Roads and/or Public Works and register with them by forging work experience, machineries and staff members,

vii. Register with Kenya National Highways Authority (KeNHA) and be classed in A-F Contractors (you can get any class depending with cash on hand)

viii. Tender and camp at the KeNHA and MoR offices for weeks to ensure you 'oil' the right people,

ix. hire, old, lazy, retired 'registered' engineers and young, fresh, confused, weakly trained engineering graduates,

x. Finally, add the project supervision team (engineers, technicians, accountants, surveyors etc) in to your pay roll, in different names and titles.

Then Thika Road will be 'COMPLETED' atleast 2 years after project completion date, 'everyone' will be happy and we just wait for POTHOLES in the onset of the first rains.

THIS SYSTEM SUCKS!
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peep
#24 Posted : Sunday, December 04, 2011 3:47:35 PM
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From experience. Company X, largely locally owned and very experienced is contracted to build a massive housing estate. They incorporate the israelis who have the appropriate experience and work starts.
Shells of 5,000 houses are built and then X begins a phased approach to completing the houses.

Phase I, top quality finishing, the houses are a hit and really move.

X gets more cash to continue and that is when the politicos move in and relieve them of the working capital. The project stalls, X is villified and wound up.

A second local outfit is given Phase II and they (of course cut corners, go to bed with the politicos) and the result are a poorly done phase.

Phase III is given to a chinese company and they deliver a master piece, done on time, using quality material and are a marvel.

Phase IV is done by a local company and you guessed it, shoddy.

Lessons:

A local company can deliver, where expertise is short, can collabo to draw on relevant international exeprience.

Even good local companies eventually end up being corrupted by the political class. So,even Naikuni will eventually be corrupted at some point.

What to do? As long as our justice system doesnt work - deliver justice on time and commensurate with the crime (a chicken thief gets 20 years, a hotel thief is still walking free 20 years after the crime) I'm all for giving the chinese all our public sector jobs, funded by Exim.
limanika
#25 Posted : Sunday, December 04, 2011 8:32:24 PM
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Very true, I agree 100%. It is for the same reason we may not achieve vision 2030. Take the southern bypass for example. This will cost 17b and it will be very hard for any notable part of the money to find its way in the Kenyan economy. The Chinese, once they win a contract, do not rent anyone’s house. They build camps with site offices and accommodation so they never leave this facility even on weekends – no spending on entertainment. All the cement will come from China. Most of the workers save for drivers and masons will come from China. In the final analysis, a huge portion of the 17b will find its way back to china and then you and I are left servicing the loan to the last cent. I have a feeling the large presence of Chinese contractors has led to depreciation of the shilling – every end month, these Chinese have to be paid in dollars. Not that I have a soft heart for Kenyan contractors , KURA and KENHA. They are responsible for this mess in the first place!
simonkabz
#26 Posted : Monday, December 05, 2011 8:34:51 AM
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peep wrote:
From experience. Company X, largely locally owned and very experienced is contracted to build a massive housing estate. They incorporate the israelis who have the appropriate experience and work starts.
Shells of 5,000 houses are built and then X begins a phased approach to completing the houses.

Phase I, top quality finishing, the houses are a hit and really move.

X gets more cash to continue and that is when the politicos move in and relieve them of the working capital. The project stalls, X is villified and wound up.

A second local outfit is given Phase II and they (of course cut corners, go to bed with the politicos) and the result are a poorly done phase.

Phase III is given to a chinese company and they deliver a master piece, done on time, using quality material and are a marvel.

Phase IV is done by a local company and you guessed it, shoddy.

Lessons:

A local company can deliver, where expertise is short, can collabo to draw on relevant international exeprience.

Even good local companies eventually end up being corrupted by the political class. So,even Naikuni will eventually be corrupted at some point.

What to do? As long as our justice system doesnt work - deliver justice on time and commensurate with the crime (a chicken thief gets 20 years, a hotel thief is still walking free 20 years after the crime) I'm all for giving the chinese all our public sector jobs, funded by Exim.

That is the reason I beleive in benevolent dictators.
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eboomerang
#27 Posted : Tuesday, December 06, 2011 2:05:19 PM
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peep wrote:
From experience. Company X, largely locally owned and very experienced is contracted to build a massive housing estate. They incorporate the israelis who have the appropriate experience and work starts.
Shells of 5,000 houses are built and then X begins a phased approach to completing the houses.

Phase I, top quality finishing, the houses are a hit and really move.

X gets more cash to continue and that is when the politicos move in and relieve them of the working capital. The project stalls, X is villified and wound up.

A second local outfit is given Phase II and they (of course cut corners, go to bed with the politicos) and the result are a poorly done phase.

Phase III is given to a chinese company and they deliver a master piece, done on time, using quality material and are a marvel.

Phase IV is done by a local company and you guessed it, shoddy.

Lessons:

A local company can deliver, where expertise is short, can collabo to draw on relevant international exeprience.

Even good local companies eventually end up being corrupted by the political class. So,even Naikuni will eventually be corrupted at some point.

What to do? As long as our justice system doesnt work - deliver justice on time and commensurate with the crime (a chicken thief gets 20 years, a hotel thief is still walking free 20 years after the crime) I'm all for giving the chinese all our public sector jobs, funded by Exim.

Truly, their are many issues that would need to be addressed in order to provide the necessary environment.

That is why it is after some analysis that we see those are the real problems that need to be addressed and the solution to those problems is not to bring in a foreign work force, it solves nothing, really.

In relation to you comment on Naikuni, I still believe we are capable of identifying a good CEO whether local or foreigner, they are there.
eboomerang
#28 Posted : Tuesday, December 06, 2011 2:09:19 PM
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dunkang wrote:
Am yet to read the whole article, but as a local engineer working in South Sudan, am obliged to reply.

First, the system is a mess. Thats is the engineering system in Kenya. If you have to do the Thika Road, you will be required to;

i. Study at University of Nairobi for your BSc. (this is so for you to be registered as an Engineer),

ii. practice under a very, very, very old engineer for at least 5 years ( the engineers act require only 3 years, but you wont't manage the professional interview with them)

iii. buy, copy and adjust project design reports, drawings and calculations from other 'non-registerable' well educated kenyans

iv. know someone in the interviewing panel,

v. Head to registrar of companies and register one,

vi. Head to Ministry of Roads and/or Public Works and register with them by forging work experience, machineries and staff members,

vii. Register with Kenya National Highways Authority (KeNHA) and be classed in A-F Contractors (you can get any class depending with cash on hand)

viii. Tender and camp at the KeNHA and MoR offices for weeks to ensure you 'oil' the right people,

ix. hire, old, lazy, retired 'registered' engineers and young, fresh, confused, weakly trained engineering graduates,

x. Finally, add the project supervision team (engineers, technicians, accountants, surveyors etc) in to your pay roll, in different names and titles.

Then Thika Road will be 'COMPLETED' atleast 2 years after project completion date, 'everyone' will be happy and we just wait for POTHOLES in the onset of the first rains.

THIS SYSTEM SUCKS!

As one who works in that area, your sentiments are well understood.

Do your best, who knows, the future may present you a chance to effect some changes in that system.
eboomerang
#29 Posted : Tuesday, December 06, 2011 2:20:51 PM
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limanika wrote:
Very true, I agree 100%. It is for the same reason we may not achieve vision 2030. Take the southern bypass for example. This will cost 17b and it will be very hard for any notable part of the money to find its way in the Kenyan economy. The Chinese, once they win a contract, do not rent anyone’s house. They build camps with site offices and accommodation so they never leave this facility even on weekends – no spending on entertainment. All the cement will come from China. Most of the workers save for drivers and masons will come from China. In the final analysis, a huge portion of the 17b will find its way back to china and then you and I are left servicing the loan to the last cent.....

Excellent!!! that is what we are trying to say.

The best we can do for our youth is to create a "kazi kwa vijana" program and offer them slashers and rakes to cut grass a long the roads.

Remember that this is an entire government's initiative to combat youth unemployment. If that is not upumbavu, I don't know what is.
youcan'tstopusnow
#30 Posted : Tuesday, December 06, 2011 3:30:06 PM
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eboomerang wrote:


The best we can do for our youth is to create a "kazi kwa vijana" program and offer them slashers and rakes to cut grass a long the the roads.

Remember that this is an entire government's initiative to combat youth unemployment. If that is not upumbavu, I don't know what is.

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