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Martha Karua 4 President.
mukiha
#21 Posted : Tuesday, March 29, 2011 8:32:41 AM
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hoodrat wrote:
Totally agree Martha has what it takes.But from a gender perspective don't know if Kenya is ready for a woman president.How many African countries have elected women presidents?Only one comes to mind!

Why wouldn't Kenya be ready for a woman president? Is there something that women presidents do that Kenya is not ready for?

This statement really irks me: it is a cover-up for sexist, male chauvinist opinions!

Some one wants to say "I wouldn't vote for a woman president" but feels scared, so the say "Kenya is not ready for a woman president"

BTW: I would vote for Martha, even if she ran against Mutava. I think he still needs to prove whether he is made of steel or wool!
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mukiha
#22 Posted : Tuesday, March 29, 2011 8:36:07 AM
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callaspade wrote:
.....i thought we passed the new constitution so that it does not matter much who becomes the next president.
.....We should be focusing on strengthening the institutions not screaming hoarse over which individual is better than the other.
......it should not matter who becomes the president since there are now checks and balances to ensure equity,good governance and respect of rule of law,period.
.....whoever becomes president does NOT and will never affect my breakfast or sleep.Thats how it should be.

Institutions are only as strong as the leadership they have!

Institutions cannot stand alone; they need to be led...and that's where our choice of president comes in.

Think about it this way: if it was possible to make very strong and independent institutions that can work efficiently whatever leadership they have, then what would be the point of voting? Indeed, what would be the point of having any leader?
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mukiha
#23 Posted : Tuesday, March 29, 2011 8:43:30 AM
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YesuWangu wrote:


Bwenyenye, I was wondering, decades ago, someone wanted Kenya to be aligned to the East, with China and USSR. He was resisted and sent to Siberia, as it were. Kenya was a friend of the West and USA. Behold, the current leaders are aligning Kenya to China. What has changed?

What will change? What has changed? Please answer me.



NO! This is a fallacy propagated by uninformed mass media columnists!

Kenya still remains politically and economically aligned to the west! The UK is still our largest trading partner!

However; China is steadily closing the gap... but all this is economic. Our politics is still aligned to western style democracies.

In fact; even China is slowly changing its political affiliation towards the west.

And regarding communist Russia [i.e. USSR], that one ended a long time ago.
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nostoppingthis
#24 Posted : Tuesday, March 29, 2011 8:54:41 AM
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@Mukiha, what people are avoiding here is, "Is Kenya ready for a woman president from Central Kenya"....
YesuWangu
#25 Posted : Tuesday, March 29, 2011 9:07:45 AM
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mukiha wrote:
YesuWangu wrote:


Bwenyenye, I was wondering, decades ago, someone wanted Kenya to be aligned to the East, with China and USSR. He was resisted and sent to Siberia, as it were. Kenya was a friend of the West and USA. Behold, the current leaders are aligning Kenya to China. What has changed?

What will change? What has changed? Please answer me.



NO! This is a fallacy propagated by uninformed mass media columnists!

Kenya still remains politically and economically aligned to the west! The UK is still our largest trading partner!

However; China is steadily closing the gap... but all this is economic. Our politics is still aligned to western style democracies.

In fact; even China is slowly changing its political affiliation towards the west.

And regarding communist Russia [i.e. USSR], that one ended a long time ago.


Mr. Mukiha, the highlighted part of your contribution is exactly what I am saying. I dont have to repeat the numerous China gains in Kenya. As for being politically aligned to the west, some in government want Kenya to break from Western 'imperialist, political' connections, ICC being what I am talking about here. And they are serious about it.

These changes......are so vivid it is impossible to miss them. What if Kenya had been friendly to China all along from those decades past? Would it have been any different? Did Kenya have to wait this long to be friendly to China?

Mr. Nostoppingthis, I am sorry for hijacking this thread with China things. Anyway, I think that question is very hard to answer. That combination is what makes it more complex. A woman president? Why not! From Central Kenya? I do not know, honestly.
bwenyenye
#26 Posted : Tuesday, March 29, 2011 9:08:23 AM
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YesuWangu wrote:
bwenyenye wrote:

@ Annsal, ,

Zeitgeist is a documentary of sorts that gives you an inner view of the workings of governements. You will be shocked that many things you call 'news' today are actually pre planned

Sample this,

'On September 9th 2001, a document lay on the US President's desk on the need to attack Afghanistan by war. Reason, Saddam Hussein had refused to yield to the demands of economic hitmen and 'US Jackals' that destabilise countries. On September 11, 2001, they had a reason! Afghanistan, is now rated among the highest poroducers on Heroine which is one thing that Saddam had effectively dealt with.

When you see that attack on Gaddafi, you could see what is happening.

@ Annsal, google it.

When I see guys who are always pro foreigners sorting issues hapa wanting to be president, sisemi kitu! Well I have been fully for ICC process but ....

The problem is that even the other fellows are not any better!


Bwenyenye, I was wondering, decades ago, someone wanted Kenya to be aligned to the East, with China and USSR. He was resisted and sent to Siberia, as it were. Kenya was a friend of the West and USA. Behold, the current leaders are aligning Kenya to China. What has changed?

What will change? What has changed? Please answer me.




@ Yesu Wangu,

I can see someone already gave you a response. However,please note that communist China is very capitalistic. That is why you have all these Chinese companies being ranked among the world's best. The fact is that there is nothing like 'free aid or grant' No country has money to give away for free. It is always in return for something. Now that 'something' being demanded is what determines where Kenya aligns herself.

The Kibaki Administration realised that workiing too closely with the west had almost brought down the Moi regime due to their demands on their money. So what does Kibz and co do? they bring as many people as possible into the tax bracket and support their budget by upto 95%. The West are still held up asking for SAPS including the governemnt must buy Land Rovers from their companies ( By the way, the West is controlled not by politics but by companies) etc. China sees an opportunity in the rising middle calss and quickly 'buy' that market and the building of infrastructure by giving the government 'grants'. When the West realises their companies have been left out of the boom, they begin sending economic hitmen to sabotage anything the country is doing so as to instal one of their own. He who believes that the Kenyan Police , Judiciary and anything Kenyan is substandard apart from the presidency. They even send him a guy to do his PR 'pro bono' and we know what happenned after the election. I hold my peace.
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ecstacy
#27 Posted : Tuesday, March 29, 2011 9:44:46 AM
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The real question is - Martha Karua for President, why not?
YesuWangu
#28 Posted : Tuesday, March 29, 2011 9:52:51 AM
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Mr. Bwenyenye, all you have said is true and yes I have got responses, but my question is still unanswered. And I really need it answered.

If I may rephrase it, what if Kenya had been friendly to China long ago, soon after independence? Has Kenya belatedly recognised it is better off with China than with the West? Has Kenya just recently noticed it burnt its fingers with the West?

Of course answers to these questions will breed more questions.
hoodrat
#29 Posted : Tuesday, March 29, 2011 10:08:45 AM
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mukiha wrote:
hoodrat wrote:
Totally agree Martha has what it takes.But from a gender perspective don't know if Kenya is ready for a woman president.How many African countries have elected women presidents?Only one comes to mind!

Why wouldn't Kenya be ready for a woman president? Is there something that women presidents do that Kenya is not ready for?

This statement really irks me: it is a cover-up for sexist, male chauvinist opinions!

Some one wants to say "I wouldn't vote for a woman president" but feels scared, so the say "Kenya is not ready for a woman president"

BTW: I would vote for Martha, even if she ran against Mutava. I think he still needs to prove whether he is made of steel or wool!

@Mukiha for your info my vote is Martha's and am in no way chauvinist.Women make up 52% of our population.In parliament out 0f 222 Mps there are only about 18 women Mps only 10 elected and 8 nominated.The affirmattive action bill 2007 was meant to address this but never took off.My point is that while there is so much vocal support for women ascent to leadershp,they never translate into votes for women come the ballot.This stats clearly show the level our society is patriachal.I believe a woman president goes a long way in addressing these!
Apparently there is nothing that cannot happen today!
bwenyenye
#30 Posted : Tuesday, March 29, 2011 10:13:41 AM
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YesuWangu wrote:


Mr. Bwenyenye, all you have said is true and yes I have got responses, but my question is still unanswered. And I really need it answered.

If I may rephrase it, what if Kenya had been friendly to China long ago, soon after independence? Has Kenya belatedly recognised it is better off with China than with the West? Has Kenya just recently noticed it burnt its fingers with the West?

Of course answers to these questions will breed more questions.


In the 1960's there was a global battle for leadership. The Germans and Russians had been beaten by the allies in the 2nd World War. By any means, German technology was and has remained far more superior than those of the West. The West won the propaganda war and castigated the East and created the 'Cold War'. Back then, Kenya was just emerging from the British Shackles. One of the basic conditionalities for self rule was the preservation of British Interests in Kenya. We could not get out as we had no systems of our own at the time. By the time we realised, we were in too much debt. I know, some good Kenyans saw this and tried to bring in the east. Some of my people even went to study medicine in Russia on a grant. Due to the sanctions that China and the East were getting back then, they could not manage to fight head to head for countries like Kenya and so the thing fizzled out. They set their systems right and now, their savings are running America which is in very very heavy debt.

So Kenya could not have risked going West at that time. We would have suffered many coups like happened with other countries. I think it was a wise move then as stability was what we needed most.I do not think we would have been any better that we are today if we had gone west! Infact, I think we would have been worse off. Again, back then, there were not many conditionalites on grants up till the 1990s.

As things have gotten worse in the West, their aid related conditionalities have worsened with them now looking at economic gains of their companies at the expense of yours in the name of 'globalization'. And so, perhaps Kenya has played its cards well.
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