@Ngalaka,
I am not populist in anyway but be frank and honest.If your boss says go to hell,do you hike the next available means??...and as we talk,the idiot is meeting Ban Ki-Moon while hundreds of Kenyans are outside the UN HQs protesting at the VPs action and by large,his master's!!....KM would have had more to gain by going with the wish of Kenyans.The very same people he will come to for votes long after MK becomes irrelevant.....His greed won't let him reason with his feet firmly on the ground......what a shame this man is!!

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Remember:

Hague is not their mother. we will defend ourselves here and there-Uhuru.
Hague itachukua miaka mingi and before it starts, some of us will no longer be there.-W. Ruto

With this statement, was WR admitting to being guilty?

the journey is long - its a summons to attend pre-trial hearings, before the trial.
Its going to be very long trial, plus the court can decide at any one point to throw out the case. I suspect PEV victims may not get justice in this manner since most of the evidence is quite circumstantial and really feeble - imagine accusing Major General Ali with Rape and murder coz he did not stop the Mungiki and with murder because he stopped those those in Mathare, Kibera and Kisumu.

I'm not much of a lawyer but don't you think Ali would just state that there was some sort of "mutiny" in the police force that somehow made it difficult for him to assert his authority as Commissioner of Police....i think this guy will be the least worried of the six. Anyway, tungoje uamuzi wa mahakama!

I tend to think too, that Ali's case isnt too bad.
This is unless Ocampo has evidence that he was part of the plan to give Mungiki un-hindered passange to attack people.

Even then the question that will arise is do the crimes so committed constitute what is defined as crimes against humanity!
The above should also form part of Uhurus arguments.

The question of Ali not having done enough to prevent Naivasha and Nakuru killings should not be viewed in isolation of him also not having done enough to prevent the crimes committed in Kericho, Edoret, Kisumu, Kibera, Mombasa etc etc.

@Masukuma, i think the argument will be the same as those of Sadam, El Bashir, and the guy who was still fathering while there.....(i forget). I doubt any of these took a gun and shot anyone. but they were in power to order and stop the shootings but they did not. Either, because they were benefiting from it, or someone else was.

In Ali's case, they could argue that he had the mandate over the police force.... he would have stopped the "shoot to kill" order of unarmed civilians....

The issue usually is, did you have the power to do something about it and was it your responsibility to do something about it and you did not, or were your 'failures' to act done to benefit/injure someone else.... i think that might be the line of argument and not necessarily that he committed the actual crime himself... for example, if i sent my beautiful underage daughter to go and steal, dont you think i will be the one to answer to the judge and not her? If she is of age, i will be an accomplice..... either way, it will still get back to me..... (argued from a layman's point of view).

they should continue dreaming. Bure kabisa

Evidence against Ali seems lightweight. The flipside against Ocampo...what if Major General Ali actually does have evidence of giving instructions to deal with Mungiki or 'armed civilians'? ...

.......there is this cop who shot dead and kicked some 2 demonstrators in Kisumu.....he was later arrested and arraigned in court.
....there is the other tape of a Gsu guy pleading with demonstrators not to burn Kenya.
....i would carry both tapes to the Hague,wouldn't you?

The decorated general has "rape" charges over his head. Totally preposterous. Ocampo is just sick.