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Kalonzo's shuttle diplomacy was in vain
Karema Hiti
#21 Posted : Thursday, February 10, 2011 12:52:08 PM
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You and I know that our government has different ministries and departments and their respective budgetary allocations to address various operations within their dockets. You cannot stop international relations at the expense of internal/special programmes and vice versa. Let Esther, Sally, Orengo, Saitoti and others run their ministries effectively to address the IDPs plight. The mention of threats from outsiders (particular the US and her western allies) reverberates imperialism to me. As the Masai (ole Njore) pointed out, I was thoroughly astonished to learn how the US and her allies abandoned Hosni when Egypt needed them most. How can they advise him to ng'atuka pap without overseeing the transition. As we discuss this topic, let us be balanced in thought.
newfarer
#22 Posted : Thursday, February 10, 2011 12:52:09 PM
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Simon we are just mortals .Most of us writing here will not be around in the next 10 years, yes just 10 years through natural selection.Should we clean things now, we may suffer in the remaining while , but our children will enjoy the sweet fruits..

Hague saves our kids from impunity.Things will be done the right way.Not people slashing others like animals just because their 'win' was 'stolen'.



simonkabz wrote:
If any of the Ocampo 6 is jailed in foreign land, a seed of permanent hatred n open tribal intolerance will hav been sown. Lets face the truth, pple will never 4get their own son rotting in some foreign soil. RAO may NEVER be 4given by a large section of the Kenyan society. As evident in parliament, the ICC issue has taken a POLITICAL n in turn, a TRIBAL dimention. Let me emphasize, ICC saga cant, and WONT auger well 4 Kenya!


punda amecheka
simonkabz
#23 Posted : Thursday, February 10, 2011 1:04:22 PM
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@NF, u hav a point bt I see things very differently. The PEV suspects n any other rabble rousing elite have all experienced the bitter fruits of the PEV. The lesson has already been driven home. Everybody now knows what violence will beget....immediate n belated consequences...The hague process will add no xtra value to what we have already learnt fm the NAMING of the suspects. These goons r already too scared anyway....regretting..... They have a huge local following (machinani). Its this last point that u must think of DEEPLY b4 commenting.
TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
nostoppingthis
#24 Posted : Thursday, February 10, 2011 2:54:55 PM
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simonkabz wrote:
@NF, u hav a point bt I see things very differently. The PEV suspects n any other rabble rousing elite have all experienced the bitter fruits of the PEV. The lesson has already been driven home. Everybody now knows what violence will beget....immediate n belated consequences...The hague process will add no xtra value to what we have already learnt fm the NAMING of the suspects. These goons r already too scared anyway....regretting..... They have a huge local following (machinani). Its this last point that u must think of DEEPLY b4 commenting.


@thimioni, I beg to differ on this point...I do not believe we have learnt much...look at the nominations of the CJ, AG, DPP na yule wa budget..the nominations clearly go well with the perceived voting pattern in parliament (hapa wamechapa RAO 10 - 0) - i'm sure some of us even wazuans, are smiling over this.
Do you believe the meeting WR hosted in eldy was to make peace? If it was to make peace, most of the government if not all should have been invited, and they should have addressed the issue of settling IDPs.
I still do not believe we have learnt anything from PEV, hence the current political landscape...
McReggae
#25 Posted : Thursday, February 10, 2011 3:09:59 PM
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All the IDPs had land and houses before PEV, if real peace has been achieved in RV, resettlement would not be an issue, unfortunately the so called peace in RV is only plastic and artificial!@!!!!!
..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
TAZ
#26 Posted : Thursday, February 10, 2011 3:34:31 PM
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nostoppingthis wrote:
simonkabz wrote:
@NF, u hav a point bt I see things very differently. The PEV suspects n any other rabble rousing elite have all experienced the bitter fruits of the PEV. The lesson has already been driven home. Everybody now knows what violence will beget....immediate n belated consequences...The hague process will add no xtra value to what we have already learnt fm the NAMING of the suspects. These goons r already too scared anyway....regretting..... They have a huge local following (machinani). Its this last point that u must think of DEEPLY b4 commenting.


@thimioni, I beg to differ on this point...I do not believe we have learnt much...look at the nominations of the CJ, AG, DPP na yule wa budget..the nominations clearly go well with the perceived voting pattern in parliament (hapa wamechapa RAO 10 - 0) - i'm sure some of us even wazuans, are smiling over this.
Do you believe the meeting WR hosted in eldy was to make peace? If it was to make peace, most of the government if not all should have been invited, and they should have addressed the issue of settling IDPs.
I still do not believe we have learnt anything from PEV, hence the current political landscape...


"However, Muthaura said the PM’s Permanent Secretary Mohammed Isahakia told him Raila had no problem with Githu, but insisted on Justice Omolo for CJ. Omondi, however, insisted Raila only talked of the most senior Appellant judge, who in Judiciary’s own ranking is Omolo." THE STANDARD

Raila's main issue was with the CJ nomination, otherwise he was quite comfortable with everything else.
the sage
#27 Posted : Thursday, February 10, 2011 4:00:35 PM
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newfarer wrote:
simonkabz wrote:
If any of the Ocampo 6 is jailed in foreign land, a seed of permanent hatred n open tribal intolerance will hav been sown. Lets face the truth, pple will never 4get their own son rotting in some foreign soil. RAO may NEVER be 4given by a large section of the Kenyan society. As evident in parliament, the ICC issue has taken a POLITICAL n in turn, a TRIBAL dimention. Let me emphasize, ICC saga cant, and WONT auger well 4 Kenya!


Fungua macho

ICC is the best thing to happen in Kenyan history.
At no time have we seen leaders running around like headless chicken.

It will sort out impunity .
It will mean that even if RAO or Martha Karua of Kalonzo Musyoka is defeated in 2012 , no one will finance hungry youth to torch houses whether steadman or synovate had shown him/her as the leading candidate in the opinion polls .

ICC itakuwa funzo kwa wengine wenye nia kama ya 2007



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@newfarerVery True and SimonKabz, Lets face the truth, pple will never 4get their own son rotting in some foreign soil!!!!
There are Kenyans being detained in Uganda, Guantanamo Bay, Uganda and life is going on.
Let Kalonzo bring those people back if he cares so much about our "sovereignty."
Seeders
#28 Posted : Thursday, February 10, 2011 4:20:43 PM
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the Hague is less than 5% of the solution. the TJRC is close to 60%.

as long as the TJRC is an amorphous, dysfunctional body, it is just a matter of time before there is another massive outbreak of violence.
Sigiriri
#29 Posted : Thursday, February 10, 2011 4:24:06 PM
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Reality my pple, reality. Not ideal situations, Reality is what counts.

In this case, Justice is reality. If Kenya is sovereign, just and has the integrity to carry through the ICC case, we would already have the goodwill to take these pple to court - it would not have taken the ICC to awaken the quest for justice. These cases would have been taken up immediately after the situation - REALITY - there is no goodwill to prosecute these pple.

The people want the government to do something - if it was a tribunal, we wanted it formed yesteryear, yesterday, not tomorrow or next year....let the cases start - the country wont let this case go.

Gava ichukue hatua haraka - wasikizane, tribunal iwe formed to international standards, non-partial - na sio principals ati wafanye tribal balancing - then let the cases start. Upon seeing this, the Hague quest will grind to a gradual halt bila stress. Until then, wakwende hague!!
nostoppingthis
#30 Posted : Thursday, February 10, 2011 4:46:17 PM
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@SigiririApplause Applause Applause
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