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Kalonzo's shuttle diplomacy was in vain
si_cheki_ovyo_ovyo
#41 Posted : Wednesday, February 16, 2011 8:14:10 AM
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simonkabz wrote:
Hmmm...People still trust America?? Really? Then I think u can throw anythng at Kenyans n they will swallow without a 2nd thought. SOVEREIGNTY, to me, is WHAT WE FOUGHT FOR n GOT IN 1963. Careful who u trust, I'd rather TRUST A KENYAN DEMON THAN A FOREIGN DEVIL! Thats why politicians r against this disguised colonialism....my sovereign n free thoughts



sovereignty is when we the people are free of those who are killing us.

sovereignty is nothing without the people. 'sovereignty' is not a brand.
McReggae
#42 Posted : Wednesday, February 16, 2011 9:16:41 AM
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Applause Applause ....is the UK a signatory to the ICC!!!!!Applause Applause
..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
TAZ
#43 Posted : Wednesday, February 16, 2011 12:46:23 PM
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One way or another we must have a Local tribunal as soon as possible to prosecute the Killers, Rapists, looters, inciters and organizers who Ocampo decided to overlook. Ruto and UK might be guilty as charged but i don't believe they were responsible for what happened in Kisumu, Mombasa or Nairobi.
Rahatupu
#44 Posted : Wednesday, February 16, 2011 12:55:20 PM
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@Sigiriri well said. The political will to prosecute the masterminds of the PEV has been lacking and will be lacking. The Kenya Penal Code is sufficient to prosecute whoever killed even a neighbours chicken. What has been done? The youths who were arrested were soon released for political expediency.

On the shuttle business, now the MK camp has realized the futility of lobbying the AU and the UN and are now bending over to lobby the ICC (today's DN back page). So with the way through the UN seemingly closing fast, they now see the need to lobby Christian Wanesser. All along this was a sheer display of wastefulness and inverted priorities.
Njung'e
#45 Posted : Saturday, February 26, 2011 4:32:20 PM
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Baks should send Kalonzo back to Tripoli to follow up on his "shuttle mission" with Gadhaffi.....BK!
Nothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm.
Wa_ithaka
#46 Posted : Saturday, February 26, 2011 6:05:58 PM
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How bout refunding the Ksh31metres. Ze idiots were begged by ICC to go thru it but won't listen.

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Impunity
#47 Posted : Saturday, February 26, 2011 6:19:06 PM
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McReggae wrote:
Applause Applause ....is the UK a signatory to the ICC!!!!!Applause Applause


UK is,Muigai isn't.

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Ngalaka
#48 Posted : Monday, February 28, 2011 10:17:02 AM
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If ICC were what it ought to be, I would probably support them on the Kenyan case.
If ICC had cases on US nationals, Israelis, Brits ect, to demonstrate their impartiality and blind application of the law, then they would convince me.

If US ratified the ICC charter,- that would give the court a boost in credibility.

If US wasnt practising HYPOCRISY on ICC, may be I would view the court defferently!

If in the Kenyan case ICC's Ocampo had gone for the real culprits with the GREATEST RESPONSIBLITY maybe I wouldnt be in doubt.

If only Ocampo had handled the case in a judicious way and generally in a manner devoid of politics and unnecessary chest thumping and threats of setting example of us....

The above not withstanding, Kenya Govt is RIGHT to fight to take control over the prosecution of crimes commited on Kenyan soil by Kenyan citizen.

If the Kenyan Govt took any other position, then they would need to relinguish power on account of abdication of basic responsibility, and wishing away our SOVEREIGNTY.

It is one thing to try and fail and quite another to just resign to fate!!!

Even cronically ill people are taken to hospital knowing all to well that they may lose the fight for their life.
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#49 Posted : Monday, February 28, 2011 5:48:10 PM
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newfarer wrote:
No much throwing of tantrums will save the Ocampo six from a date in Hague very soon.


You missed the point. These guys were going no matter what. MK intentions were to split ODM because it was obvious that RO would rather sacrifice Ruto than have him around.

BBI will solve it
:)
si_cheki_ovyo_ovyo
#50 Posted : Tuesday, March 01, 2011 8:24:36 AM
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Ngalaka wrote:
If ICC were what it ought to be, I would probably support them on the Kenyan case.
If ICC had cases on US nationals, Israelis, Brits ect, to demonstrate their impartiality and blind application of the law, then they would convince me.

If US ratified the ICC charter,- that would give the court a boost in credibility.

If US wasnt practising HYPOCRISY on ICC, may be I would view the court defferently!

If in the Kenyan case ICC's Ocampo had gone for the real culprits with the GREATEST RESPONSIBLITY maybe I wouldnt be in doubt.

If only Ocampo had handled the case in a judicious way and generally in a manner devoid of politics and unnecessary chest thumping and threats of setting example of us....

The above not withstanding, Kenya Govt is RIGHT to fight to take control over the prosecution of crimes commited on Kenyan soil by Kenyan citizen.

If the Kenyan Govt took any other position, then they would need to relinguish power on account of abdication of basic responsibility, and wishing away our SOVEREIGNTY.

It is one thing to try and fail and quite another to just resign to fate!!!

Even cronically ill people are taken to hospital knowing all to well that they may lose the fight for their life.


Al Amin Kimathi, a Kenyan, is languishing in jail in Uganda. Kenya took him there. He and other people. Surely our 'sovereignty' is at stake here. Surely you will demand he is returned. Surely Kalonzo will stop by, if he hasnt stopped by, Kampala and lobby for Kenyas sovereignty. Isnt it?
Ngalaka
#51 Posted : Tuesday, March 01, 2011 9:39:47 AM
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Si-cheki wrote;
Al Amin Kimathi, a Kenyan, is languishing in jail in Uganda. Kenya took him there. He and other people. Surely our 'sovereignty' is at stake here. Surely you will demand he is returned. Surely Kalonzo will stop by, if he hasnt stopped by, Kampala and lobby for Kenyas sovereignty. Isnt it?




Two wrongs dont make a right.

Isnt better that in discounting the points I raised you demonstrate how wrong they are.
Raising issues of Kalonzo this or that is diversionary!!

BTW Kimanthi went to Uganda on his own accord to drum up support for the arrested terrorist suspects.
He was hence arrested for the alleged crime(s)commited by himself in UG.
His case is therefore a matter for UG to determine.
Isuni yilu yi maa me muyo - ni Mbisuu
si_cheki_ovyo_ovyo
#52 Posted : Tuesday, March 01, 2011 10:18:42 AM
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Ngalaka wrote:
Si-cheki wrote;
Al Amin Kimathi, a Kenyan, is languishing in jail in Uganda. Kenya took him there. He and other people. Surely our 'sovereignty' is at stake here. Surely you will demand he is returned. Surely Kalonzo will stop by, if he hasnt stopped by, Kampala and lobby for Kenyas sovereignty. Isnt it?




Two wrongs dont make a right.

Isnt better that in discounting the points I raised you demonstrate how wrong they are.
Raising issues of Kalonzo this or that is diversionary!!

BTW Kimanthi went to Uganda on his own accord to drum up support for the arrested terrorist suspects.
He was hence arrested for the alleged crime(s)commited by himself in UG.
His case is therefore a matter for UG to determine.


I agree. This is a matter to be determined by Uganda. Lets have this attitude for I love it.
Ngalaka
#53 Posted : Tuesday, March 01, 2011 5:32:24 PM
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Someone help me understand!

If you go to UG of your own volition and foul their air - then they arrest you for it, how does Kenya come in!!!
Isuni yilu yi maa me muyo - ni Mbisuu
Liv
#54 Posted : Tuesday, March 01, 2011 5:33:48 PM
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USA will not support the referral of ICC cases. But also they might just abstain from voting.
Seeders
#55 Posted : Thursday, March 17, 2011 9:21:52 PM
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This is what I was referring to. Mob psychology and an acute lack of foresight. Link below.

Tension rising after ICC summons



Seeders wrote:
the Hague is less than 5% of the solution. the TJRC is close to 60%.

as long as the TJRC is an amorphous, dysfunctional body, it is just a matter of time before there is another massive outbreak of violence.

YesuWangu
#56 Posted : Friday, March 18, 2011 8:13:28 AM
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Ngalaka wrote:

Someone help me understand!

If you go to UG of your own volition and foul their air - then they arrest you for it, how does Kenya come in!!!


Yes. Someone kills in Uganda, his accomplices are identified to be in Kenya, Kenya police arrest them and scoot them over to Uganda, someone gets concerned and asks and does something about it after Kenya shows it is sleeping he is arrested by Ugandans for asking about it and all is sweet back at the ranch. Way to go!
cnn
#57 Posted : Saturday, March 19, 2011 12:48:42 PM
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More vanity,the bid at the UNSC has failed.
Njung'e
#58 Posted : Saturday, March 19, 2011 1:02:55 PM
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Failed flat.A confirmation of what an idiot of a VP we have.Just the other day he was nyef nyeffing how his mission was successful...BK!

Sources say that even African countries sitting on the council 'lacked enthusiasm" to endorse Kenya's request despite the African Union resolution in January backing a deferral.

Nothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm.
mwenza
#59 Posted : Saturday, March 19, 2011 1:08:07 PM
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Watu waende Hague............whether some wazuans like it or not!!
IF YOU EXPECT ME TO POST ANYTHING POSITIVE ABOUT ASENO, YOU MAY AS WELL SIT ON A PIN
Obi 1 Kanobi
#60 Posted : Saturday, March 19, 2011 3:13:36 PM
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Bye by O6

Luyereee,,, luyereee,,,, luyere Ocampo awalinde.

Utawacha bibi yako utaendaaa.. untaenda,,, utaenda Hague kwa Ocampo.

Utawacha ministerial position yako utaendaaa.. utaenda,,, utaenda Hague kwa Ocampo.

Utawacha mercedes yako utaendaaa.. utaenda,,, utaenda Hague kwa Ocampo.
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