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Am sure there will be an inquiry to establish the conducting of the elections on 8/8 and subsequent ruling What we will need to know 1. Why were fake forms/books used as forms 2. What affected the transmissions? 3. What is the competency of the IT experts contacted by the court. I see Proff on as their Prefix but IT is broad, what is their areas of specialization. 4. What is their practical experience out of the class room? 5. What was their understanding of the server usage in this case? Given that this was more of a FTP issue 6. If the nullification of election was due to OT Morpho's refusal to grant access to the server, what are the legal bindings falling on this company given that its foreign? (French) Imagine this: You notice your bank account has anomalies. You go to court and the court gives an order that the bank disclose all its standard operating procedures, security measures (firewalls, rules etc) and everything that is required to show that it has not been stealing your money. Now the only problem is, this is the very information needed to rob the bank, WHAT IT EXPERT WOULD GIVE THIS?"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/21/2011 Posts: 2,032
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Njung'e wrote:He is at it again. In a press conference earlier, he has named 12 IEBC officials whom he says ought to be in prison (No need to take them to court because raila says so) before 17th October. If i may ask once again, what are the crimes of the said individuals?. Who sued them and when were they convicted? why does Raila think he is the only one who is right all the time and everything/everyone else is wrong, against him or both?. Is it some kind of a diseases/condition?.  We know his strategy. It is multi pronged, as follows: 1) If the officials are sacked, he will seek political parties to nominate new ones (including RO's). He will make sure he gets partisan individuals who will help him rig. 2) Since (1) may not work, he wants to preempt the outcome of the fresh election. If he loses, he will say it is because the officials (including Alghurair, Morpho, chiloba, etc) were never sacked/terminated and they have rigged him out again. This, in his opinion, will justify his calls for mass action to precipitate chaos and force a third fresh election.
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Rank: Chief Joined: 5/9/2007 Posts: 13,095
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murchr wrote:Am sure there will be an inquiry to establish the conducting of the elections on 8/8 and subsequent ruling
What we will need to know
1. Why were fake forms/books used as forms
2. What affected the transmissions?
3. What is the competency of the IT experts contacted by the court. I see Proff on as their Prefix but IT is broad, what is their areas of specialization.
4. What is their practical experience out of the class room?
5. What was their understanding of the server usage in this case? Given that this was more of a FTP issue
6. If the nullification of election was due to OT Morpho's refusal to grant access to the server, what are the legal bindings falling on this company given that its foreign? (French)
Imagine this: You notice your bank account has anomalies. You go to court and the court gives an order that the bank disclose all its standard operating procedures, security measures (firewalls, rules etc) and everything that is required to show that it has not been stealing your money. Now the only problem is, this is the very information needed to rob the bank, WHAT IT EXPERT WOULD GIVE THIS? Post the ruling, we have really paid a lot of attention on servers bla bla bla...What if the full judgement comes out tomorrow and nothing is mentioned on the IT element? What if they say the IT element never affected the results par se and all they had a problem with is fake forms bla bla bla and the way Chebukati did not wait for all forms to be sent before he read the ruling? Or who actually knows the real meat of the ruling?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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washiku wrote:murchr wrote:Am sure there will be an inquiry to establish the conducting of the elections on 8/8 and subsequent ruling
What we will need to know
1. Why were fake forms/books used as forms
2. What affected the transmissions?
3. What is the competency of the IT experts contacted by the court. I see Proff on as their Prefix but IT is broad, what is their areas of specialization.
4. What is their practical experience out of the class room?
5. What was their understanding of the server usage in this case? Given that this was more of a FTP issue
6. If the nullification of election was due to OT Morpho's refusal to grant access to the server, what are the legal bindings falling on this company given that its foreign? (French)
Imagine this: You notice your bank account has anomalies. You go to court and the court gives an order that the bank disclose all its standard operating procedures, security measures (firewalls, rules etc) and everything that is required to show that it has not been stealing your money. Now the only problem is, this is the very information needed to rob the bank, WHAT IT EXPERT WOULD GIVE THIS? Post the ruling, we have really paid a lot of attention on servers bla bla bla...What if the full judgement comes out tomorrow and nothing is mentioned on the IT element? What if they say the IT element never affected the results par se and all they had a problem with is fake forms bla bla bla and the way Chebukati did not wait for all forms to be sent before he read the ruling? Or who actually knows the real meat of the ruling? If they did not nullify the elections on ICT issues, then the other reason was the forms http://www.judiciary.go....Report_29.8.2017%201.pdf"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Chief Joined: 5/9/2007 Posts: 13,095
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murchr wrote:washiku wrote:[quote=murchr]Am sure there will be an inquiry to establish the conducting of the elections on 8/8 and subsequent ruling
What we will need to know
1. Why were fake forms/books used as forms
2. What affected the transmissions?
3. What is the competency of the IT experts contacted by the court. I see Proff on as their Prefix but IT is broad, what is their areas of specialization.
4. What is their practical experience out of the class room?
5. What was their understanding of the server usage in this case? Given that this was more of a FTP issue
6. If the nullification of election was due to OT Morpho's refusal to grant access to the server, what are the legal bindings falling on this company given that its foreign? (French)
Imagine this: You notice your bank account has anomalies. You go to court and the court gives an order that the bank disclose all its standard operating procedures, security measures (firewalls, rules etc) and everything that is required to show that it has not been stealing your money. Now the only problem is, this is the very information needed to rob the bank, WHAT IT EXPERT WOULD GIVE THIS? Post the ruling, we have really paid a lot of attention on servers bla bla bla...What if the full judgement comes out tomorrow and nothing is mentioned on the IT element? What if they say the IT element never affected the results par se and all they had a problem with is fake forms bla bla bla and the way Chebukati did not wait for all forms to be sent before he read the ruling? Or who actually knows the real meat of the ruling? If they did not nullify the elections on ICT issues, then the other reason was the forms http://www.judiciary.go....eport_29.8.2017%201.pdf[/quote] I have a feeling it might not have had anything to do with servers bla bla bla but with on what basis/process should the National Returning Office announce the results etc But I could be wrong plus kesho is just a few hours away
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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washiku wrote:murchr wrote:washiku wrote:murchr wrote:Am sure there will be an inquiry to establish the conducting of the elections on 8/8 and subsequent ruling
What we will need to know
1. Why were fake forms/books used as forms
2. What affected the transmissions?
3. What is the competency of the IT experts contacted by the court. I see Proff on as their Prefix but IT is broad, what is their areas of specialization.
4. What is their practical experience out of the class room?
5. What was their understanding of the server usage in this case? Given that this was more of a FTP issue
6. If the nullification of election was due to OT Morpho's refusal to grant access to the server, what are the legal bindings falling on this company given that its foreign? (French)
Imagine this: You notice your bank account has anomalies. You go to court and the court gives an order that the bank disclose all its standard operating procedures, security measures (firewalls, rules etc) and everything that is required to show that it has not been stealing your money. Now the only problem is, this is the very information needed to rob the bank, WHAT IT EXPERT WOULD GIVE THIS? Post the ruling, we have really paid a lot of attention on servers bla bla bla...What if the full judgement comes out tomorrow and nothing is mentioned on the IT element? What if they say the IT element never affected the results par se and all they had a problem with is fake forms bla bla bla and the way Chebukati did not wait for all forms to be sent before he read the ruling? Or who actually knows the real meat of the ruling? If they did not nullify the elections on ICT issues, then the other reason was the forms http://www.judiciary.go....eport_29.8.2017%201.pdf I have a feeling it might not have had anything to do with servers bla bla bla but with on what basis/process should the National Returning Office announce the results etc But I could be wrong plus kesho is just a few hours away Remember, Maina Kiai went to court challenging the procedure of transmission of election results and the subsequent announcement of by the National RO. Here Quote:47. The second impugned regulation is regulation 84(1) which provides that:-
“(1) A final tallying of results for the respective elective positions shall be at a venue to be gazetted by the Commission for that purpose.”
48. Lastly, there is regulation 87(2)(c) that states that:-
“the returning officer shall after tallying of votes at the constituency level –
a. …………………………………………..
b. …………………………………………..
c. electronically transmit the provisional results to the Commission.”
Again, one can only better understand the import of this provision by looking at the preceding provisions, that is, regulation 87(1)(a) and (2) (a) and (b) which state that –
“(1) The returning officer shall, as soon as practicable, forward to the county returning officer, in the case of –
a. a presidential election, a certificate in Form 37 showing the total number of votes cast for each candidate;
b. a member of National Assembly, county woman representative, senate, county assembly, county governor or county assembly election, a certificate in Form 38 set out in the Schedule showing the total number of votes cast for each candidate.
(2) The returning officer shall after tallying of votes at the constituency level –
a. announce the results cast for all candidates;
b. issue certificate to persons elected in the National Assembly and County Assembly election in Form 38 set out in the Schedule ………..”
See the transmission issue? Then remember Maraga asking what was being displayed at Bomas and the IEBC lawyer called it statistics. Anyway, there is a reason the judges admitted *experts* to the case. The ruling will tell us more tomorrow. http://kenyalaw.org/caselaw/cases/view/133874/"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/9/2009 Posts: 6,592 Location: Nairobi
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Another day, another press conference, another allegation.
BBI will solve it :)
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Rank: Chief Joined: 5/9/2007 Posts: 13,095
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murchr wrote:washiku wrote:murchr wrote:washiku wrote:[quote=murchr]Am sure there will be an inquiry to establish the conducting of the elections on 8/8 and subsequent ruling
What we will need to know
1. Why were fake forms/books used as forms
2. What affected the transmissions?
3. What is the competency of the IT experts contacted by the court. I see Proff on as their Prefix but IT is broad, what is their areas of specialization.
4. What is their practical experience out of the class room?
5. What was their understanding of the server usage in this case? Given that this was more of a FTP issue
6. If the nullification of election was due to OT Morpho's refusal to grant access to the server, what are the legal bindings falling on this company given that its foreign? (French)
Imagine this: You notice your bank account has anomalies. You go to court and the court gives an order that the bank disclose all its standard operating procedures, security measures (firewalls, rules etc) and everything that is required to show that it has not been stealing your money. Now the only problem is, this is the very information needed to rob the bank, WHAT IT EXPERT WOULD GIVE THIS? Post the ruling, we have really paid a lot of attention on servers bla bla bla...What if the full judgement comes out tomorrow and nothing is mentioned on the IT element? What if they say the IT element never affected the results par se and all they had a problem with is fake forms bla bla bla and the way Chebukati did not wait for all forms to be sent before he read the ruling? Or who actually knows the real meat of the ruling? If they did not nullify the elections on ICT issues, then the other reason was the forms http://www.judiciary.go....eport_29.8.2017%201.pdf I have a feeling it might not have had anything to do with servers bla bla bla but with on what basis/process should the National Returning Office announce the results etc But I could be wrong plus kesho is just a few hours away Remember, Maina Kiai went to court challenging the procedure of transmission of election results and the subsequent announcement of by the National RO. Here Quote:47. The second impugned regulation is regulation 84(1) which provides that:-
“(1) A final tallying of results for the respective elective positions shall be at a venue to be gazetted by the Commission for that purpose.”
48. Lastly, there is regulation 87(2)(c) that states that:-
“the returning officer shall after tallying of votes at the constituency level –
a. …………………………………………..
b. …………………………………………..
c. electronically transmit the provisional results to the Commission.”
Again, one can only better understand the import of this provision by looking at the preceding provisions, that is, regulation 87(1)(a) and (2) (a) and (b) which state that –
“(1) The returning officer shall, as soon as practicable, forward to the county returning officer, in the case of –
a. a presidential election, a certificate in Form 37 showing the total number of votes cast for each candidate;
b. a member of National Assembly, county woman representative, senate, county assembly, county governor or county assembly election, a certificate in Form 38 set out in the Schedule showing the total number of votes cast for each candidate.
(2) The returning officer shall after tallying of votes at the constituency level –
a. announce the results cast for all candidates;
b. issue certificate to persons elected in the National Assembly and County Assembly election in Form 38 set out in the Schedule ………..”
See the transmission issue? Then remember Maraga asking what was being displayed at Bomas and the IEBC lawyer called it statistics. Anyway, there is a reason the judges admitted *experts* to the case. The ruling will tell us more tomorrow. http://kenyalaw.org/caselaw/cases/view/133874/[/quote] And the regulations thereof...Look at 87 https://roggkenya.org/wp...gulations-as-of2017.pdf
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Maragae now tells jubilee "to go to hell". That courts wont be intimidated by demos. Just how does jubilee expect justice from the maragaroo court? https://www.the-star.co....a-dares-critics_c1638474
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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