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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/20/2007 Posts: 4,432
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MADE wrote:segemia wrote:alma wrote:
Firing 268,000 people is not a place this country needs to be. Ask the banks with bank loans these fellows have on their books.
Are you saying that an employer will is not supposed to fire an employee simply because of his (employee's) external liabilities? This is purely fallicious!! ..I think the point is that effects of sacking such a big lot would spiral to other sectors of the economy. Any adverse decision must be consultative enough. E.g ...assume 200,000 teachers have bank loans averaging 50k;the net effect of default (bila interest) would casually sum up to 10B, with Equity the most affected.For this reason, Rotich n Adan Mohammed must be consulted for opinion. The problem with a lot of people on this forum is always arguing to the least common denominator which is my people and my party. You can't fire 260000 people and expect life to be fine and perfect? There shall be pain in each and every sector in this country. One that even free laptops and inviting the media to your house cannot cure. Do a little math. 200000 people were not paid their salaries this month. If they were on average earning 20k, that is 4000000000 ksh out of circulation. This 4 billion did not go to landlords who had to service their mortgages or pay the shylock. Worse, was 4 billion that the banks could not shylock to other kenyans. These landlords with kids in private school are starting to reduce their spend as their revenue reduced. Now repeat this for every person who offers services to teachers. Now multiply this by the number of months they won't be paid, then....multiply and multiply It's called a multiplier effect. This strike is biting you even if all you do is pretend how your child is in public school in wazua yet claim that you watch big brother. It's time for gov't to stop threatening and seriously talk to these 200000 people. Obviously that fake Kuppet doesn't control these teachers. Jose: If I make it through this thug life, I'll see you one day. The Lord is the only way to stop the hurt.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/17/2008 Posts: 23,365 Location: Nairobi
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Ante_Christa wrote:MADE wrote:segemia wrote:alma wrote:
Firing 268,000 people is not a place this country needs to be. Ask the banks with bank loans these fellows have on their books.
Are you saying that an employer will is not supposed to fire an employee simply because of his (employee's) external liabilities? This is purely fallicious!! ..I think the point is that effects of sacking such a big lot would spiral to other sectors of the economy. Any adverse decision must be consultative enough. E.g ...assume 200,000 teachers have bank loans averaging 50k;the net effect of default (bila interest) would casually sum up to 10B, with Equity the most affected.For this reason, Rotich n Adan Mohammed must be consulted for opinion. Also there are at least 268,000 bank accounts. If they run empty, or if their use is minimized, what will the banks charge for them? This is like an octopus. When one arm moves the whole organism moves. Hey guys watu wanasema bankers were sacked in the 80s/90s and it worked....nobody wants to say how many they were!!! ..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2007 Posts: 8,776 Location: Cameroon
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Last I checked, 1. gava wants to talk, wanati wamedinda. 2.Wanati won't call off strike. 3.Cord has joined them, n we all know how politics involving cord go. Sack them, reemploy them on own terms. Hiyo kelele ya banks n idle accounts will just be temporary. Sack them bila huruma. TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi
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simonkabz wrote:Last I checked,
1. gava wants to talk, wanati wamedinda.
2.Wanati won't call off strike.
3.Cord has joined them, n we all know how politics involving cord go.
Sack them, reemploy them on own terms. Hiyo kelele ya banks n idle accounts will just be temporary. Sack them bila huruma. C i thot they,ve bin sacked...the thing is they met but did not agree on what the govt was offering.... possunt quia posse videntur
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2007 Posts: 8,776 Location: Cameroon
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maka wrote:simonkabz wrote:Last I checked,
1. gava wants to talk, wanati wamedinda.
2.Wanati won't call off strike.
3.Cord has joined them, n we all know how politics involving cord go.
Sack them, reemploy them on own terms. Hiyo kelele ya banks n idle accounts will just be temporary. Sack them bila huruma. C i thot they,ve bin sacked...the thing is they met but did not agree on what the govt was offering.... Gava moved a bit. They refused to cede an inch. FUTA! TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/19/2008 Posts: 4,268
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I have relatives (very close) in the education fraternity but this is becoming ridiculous. if they were putting the same energy to educate the children, then we would surely not need private schools. When some of us went to school, the government school were much better than what any private provider would afford to give. These days???? hata mimi as it is now, no love lost if these guys were sacked, and given conditions
1. told anyone who wants to be employed reports to school on a certain day,
2. employed at different terms and has to sign a performance contract, if they do not show up,
3.absorb the whole lot of graduates who are eagerly waiting for those jobs and
4.life goes on.
what pains most is that the children of the poor people are the ones at home yet, these teachers dont care if children missed school because their own children are in private schools where "teachers" break their backs to give better education to the children with much lesser pay than what these government teachers are paid!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/18/2008 Posts: 3,434 Location: Kerugoya
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Wendz wrote:I have relatives (very close) in the education fraternity but this is becoming ridiculous. if they were putting the same energy to educate the children, then we would surely not need private schools. When some of us went to school, the government school were much better than what any private provider would afford to give. These days???? hata mimi as it is now, no love lost if these guys were sacked, and given conditions
1. told anyone who wants to be employed reports to school on a certain day,
2. employed at different terms and has to sign a performance contract, if they do not show up,
3.absorb the whole lot of graduates who are eagerly waiting for those jobs and
4.life goes on.
what pains most is that the children of the poor people are the ones at home yet, these teachers dont care if children missed school because their own children are in private schools where "teachers" break their backs to give better education to the children with much lesser pay than what these government teachers are paid! Ma'am, I am profoundly disappointed that you portend the incoming new teachers will be any different from the current lot. To paraphase Hon. Duale, Kenians are thieves, greedy and pigs et al. The new teachers will most certainly form their own version of Nati and we will be back to square one in no time at all. Ponder that.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/15/2012 Posts: 1,110
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A teacher in the village school walks to and from school everyday (it's a short walking distance). Isn't ironical this teacher is on strike demanding commuter allowance?
Secondly, the teacher is under no obligation to complete the school syllabus. Whether the syllabus is complete or not, the teacher gets his/her dues. The same teacher will ask for tuition classes (paid by the parents) during the holidays under the guise of completing the syllabus.
Again, this teacher works for 9 months in a year, and still gets his/her salary during the holidays.
Don't forget that some of these teachers in the village schools always report to work late and can skip work anytime without any firm reason because the headteacher won't report them. Productivity issues aside, the demand for a salary increase still continues.
Common guys, lets stop this madness! Strong labour unions are every employer's nightmare. Live Full Die Empty - Les Brown.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/18/2008 Posts: 3,434 Location: Kerugoya
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InnovateGuy wrote:A teacher in the village school walks to and from school everyday (it's a short walking distance). Isn't ironical this teacher is on strike demanding commuter allowance?
You make me sick!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/27/2007 Posts: 2,768
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aemathenge wrote:Wendz wrote:I have relatives (very close) in the education fraternity but this is becoming ridiculous. if they were putting the same energy to educate the children, then we would surely not need private schools. When some of us went to school, the government school were much better than what any private provider would afford to give. These days???? hata mimi as it is now, no love lost if these guys were sacked, and given conditions
1. told anyone who wants to be employed reports to school on a certain day,
2. employed at different terms and has to sign a performance contract, if they do not show up,
3.absorb the whole lot of graduates who are eagerly waiting for those jobs and
4.life goes on.
what pains most is that the children of the poor people are the ones at home yet, these teachers dont care if children missed school because their own children are in private schools where "teachers" break their backs to give better education to the children with much lesser pay than what these government teachers are paid! Ma'am, I am profoundly disappointed that you portend the incoming new teachers will be any different from the current lot. To paraphase Hon. Duale, Kenians are thieves, greedy and pigs et al. The new teachers will most certainly form their own version of Nati and we will be back to square one in no time at all. Ponder that. @Wendz is right...revising the terms of service by the government of the day to ensure that nothing like these strikes happens is as easy as 123. How? Performance contracts introduction...This would haunt the non-performing lot... I believe any salary increments should also be measured or pegged to the performance of school children in various subjects...Otherwise it does not make any sense to have a highly paid workforce with very little output!! ...besides, the presence of a safe alone does not signify that there is money inside...
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