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McReggae
#261 Posted : Thursday, September 12, 2013 8:40:04 AM
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Am wrote:



Is there any wazuan who honestly still believes that MAMA be able to Convince the bench that WSR and JAS has a case to answer. Lets us Put emotions aside and answer this ??


Check Lubanga/Milosevic and Taylor......they had grand lawyers....what tilted the cases against them?
..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
ZZE123
#262 Posted : Thursday, September 12, 2013 8:40:27 AM
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harrydre wrote:
Rollout wrote:
harrydre wrote:
washiku wrote:
McReggae wrote:
Agencies: ICC TRUST Fund for Victims says those affected by post-election violence will not be compensated if Kenya pulls out of the ICC.

You mean they were to be compensated? This part I didnt know.

so it has taken them 5 years to think of compensating the victims? wakae na hiyo pesa, just trying to save themselves. After Kenya withdrwals, the rest of Africa will and that will be their end.

@Harrydre,
Answer these to question honest and to the best of your abilities.

1) Who will be the biggest loser if Africa withdraw from ICC
(A) The West.
(b) African leaders/rulers.
(c) African general population.
(D) I will worry later.
2) Who will be the biggest winner if Africa withdraw from ICC
(A) The West.
(b) African leaders/rulers.
(c) African general population.
(D) I will worry later.
Once you have those two questions answered then we can continue with the discussion.

Africa must now chart her own destiny. We (Kenya in this case) has credible institutions which can handle most if not all our problems.

Pulling out of the ICC is a bad idea.. We might just get a dictator president and our "Credible Institutions" are unable to handle him.
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washiku
#263 Posted : Thursday, September 12, 2013 8:48:37 AM
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Now...on the other hand, how many credible witnesses do the judges require to pin down the suspects? Suppose, out of the 22 witnesses, one is credible and has the incriminating evidence. Assume just one is genuine and was not coached? Couldn't that one be enough to pin down the guys? Am just wondering, and thinking it could be too early to write off Bensouda b4 even the first witness...Lets pray that JUSTICE for all parties prevails.
kaka2za
#264 Posted : Thursday, September 12, 2013 8:51:26 AM
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The ICC might lose credibility but the biggest losers will be Kenyans. We have just papered the cracks just like Jomo did by making Arap VP to appease Kales. As long as historical injustices are not addressed peace will remain a fleeting illusion.
Truth forever on the scaffold
Wrong forever on the throne
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washiku
#265 Posted : Thursday, September 12, 2013 8:53:23 AM
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Quote:
Proverbs 18:17 -The first to speak in court sounds right—
until the cross-examination begins.
McReggae
#266 Posted : Thursday, September 12, 2013 8:53:36 AM
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washiku wrote:
Now...on the other hand, how many credible witnesses do the judges require to pin down the suspects? Suppose, out of the 22 witnesses, one is credible and has the incriminating evidence. Assume just one is genuine and was not coached? Couldn't that one be enough to pin down the guys? Am just wondering, and thinking it could be too early to write off Bensouda b4 even the first witness...Lets pray that JUSTICE for all parties prevails.


Talking of coached witnesses, it turns out that some of them who claim to have been coached witnesses weren't approached by the OTP but by the Registry to be educated on court protocol,procedure and processes... with ignorance,they conveyed the same to the accused and their lawyers!!!!
..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
migi
#267 Posted : Thursday, September 12, 2013 9:02:22 AM
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McReggae wrote:
washiku wrote:
Now...on the other hand, how many credible witnesses do the judges require to pin down the suspects? Suppose, out of the 22 witnesses, one is credible and has the incriminating evidence. Assume just one is genuine and was not coached? Couldn't that one be enough to pin down the guys? Am just wondering, and thinking it could be too early to write off Bensouda b4 even the first witness...Lets pray that JUSTICE for all parties prevails.


Talking of coached witnesses, it turns out that some of them who claim to have been coached witnesses weren't approached by the OTP but by the Registry to be educated on court protocol,procedure and processes... with ignorance,they conveyed the same to the accused and their lawyers!!!!

Man, you talk like Mr. Fatou Bensouda. The chief PEV cause and planner is out there dreaming about his ambitions to fulfull his personal egos
McReggae
#268 Posted : Thursday, September 12, 2013 9:03:51 AM
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migi wrote:
McReggae wrote:
washiku wrote:
Now...on the other hand, how many credible witnesses do the judges require to pin down the suspects? Suppose, out of the 22 witnesses, one is credible and has the incriminating evidence. Assume just one is genuine and was not coached? Couldn't that one be enough to pin down the guys? Am just wondering, and thinking it could be too early to write off Bensouda b4 even the first witness...Lets pray that JUSTICE for all parties prevails.


Talking of coached witnesses, it turns out that some of them who claim to have been coached witnesses weren't approached by the OTP but by the Registry to be educated on court protocol,procedure and processes... with ignorance,they conveyed the same to the accused and their lawyers!!!!

Man, you talk like Mr. Fatou Bensouda. The chief PEV cause and planner is out there dreaming about his ambitions to fulfull his personal egos


You seem to be running on empty...where have you come from?
..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
McReggae
#269 Posted : Thursday, September 12, 2013 9:18:27 AM
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I have a enjoyed a piece written by a friend today, excerpts:

"Some professor wrote a book about the tragedy of the commons. The Professor taught yours truly but I haven't summoned the urge to read his 'tragedy of the commons'. I think the 'tragedy of the commons' is about land but I think the tragedy of the commons should be more than just about land. Someone should write tragedy of the commons part II to capture all those other tragedies that afflict the commons other than land.

In the Post Election Violence of 2007/2008, so many commoners died. Some 1600 or so of them perished in the most brutal persecution possible. I am being persuaded that in one spontaneous moment of madness and sheer anarchy, previous happy and peaceful neighbours comprising mainly of the commons category, unleashed terror on each other for the sins of the big men in Nairobi.

When God and not Annan or Condy Rice restored sanity, folks in a rare moment of sobriety agreed unanimously that the people who committed the atrocities must pay for it. At the time, no one knew who they were. Perhaps some knew but they were too afraid to say. That notwithstanding, our very able intelligence agencies would somehow round them up and ensure they face justice. We unanimously cried 'never again!'

However that united voice soon collapsed and degenerated into a tower of babel as soon as it was discovered that among the suspects, only one was a commonner. Poor Sang, the short commoner!

As soon as O'Campo released the names from the God forsaken envelope, the commoners quickly changed Uhuru's name to 'Kikuyu', Muthaura to 'Meru', Kosgey to 'Kalenjin', Ruto to 'Kalenjin' , Brigadier Ali became Somali. Only poor Arap Sang remained just that. Sang!

The list has since reduced. Meru, Kalenjin a.k.a Kosgey and Somali were all acquited under the Rome Statute's procedure rules equivalent of our very own Section 210 of the Criminal Procedure Rules.

Today, Kalenjin, Kikuyu and Sang are going through the trial process after the ICC, that evil proxy of the imperialists decided that they have a case to answer. While Kalenjin will board a plane home to relax before he returns to bravely confront the imperialists' proxy next tuesday, poor Sang, the commoner will be whiling away his lonely time in a cold foreign land. On tuesday, the commoners will be cheering on Kalenjin as he confronts the imperialists while Sang soldiers on alone and forlon!"

..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
Bigchick
#270 Posted : Thursday, September 12, 2013 9:21:23 AM
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McReggae wrote:
washiku wrote:
Now...on the other hand, how many credible witnesses do the judges require to pin down the suspects? Suppose, out of the 22 witnesses, one is credible and has the incriminating evidence. Assume just one is genuine and was not coached? Couldn't that one be enough to pin down the guys? Am just wondering, and thinking it could be too early to write off Bensouda b4 even the first witness...Lets pray that JUSTICE for all parties prevails.


Talking of coached witnesses, it turns out that some of them who claim to have been coached witnesses weren't approached by the OTP but by the Registry to be educated on court protocol,procedure and processes... with ignorance,they conveyed the same to the accused and their lawyers!!!!



Stammering (for lack of a better word), scratching the back of your ear and saying I do not recollect is not part of procedure and processes or protocol. ...it is coaching on how to lie with confidence.PERIOD.
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