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kimanimsc
#376 Posted : Friday, May 27, 2016 12:04:34 PM
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Please can someone explain what it means for the KEGNR selling at 0.05 in the market.
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Ericsson
#377 Posted : Friday, May 27, 2016 12:07:18 PM
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It means if for example you have 1000 kengen rights issue allocated to you.
If you don't want to participate in the rights and would like to sell them in the mkt your proceeds will be
1000*0.05=ksh.50 then deduct brokerage charges
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kimanimsc
#378 Posted : Friday, May 27, 2016 12:18:58 PM
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Ericsson wrote:
It means if for example you have 1000 kengen rights issue allocated to you.
If you don't want to participate in the rights and would like to sell them in the mkt your proceeds will be
1000*0.05=ksh.50 then deduct brokerage charges


Thanks, understood for the case of the seller. What about the case of the buyer who will take these rights?
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Ericsson
#379 Posted : Friday, May 27, 2016 12:28:27 PM
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The buyer who will take the rights you are selling will buy at 6.55+0.05=6.60
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kimanimsc
#380 Posted : Friday, May 27, 2016 12:35:05 PM
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Ericsson wrote:
The buyer who will take the rights you are selling will buy at 6.55+0.05=6.60


Ok, got it thanks.
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Ericsson
#381 Posted : Friday, May 27, 2016 12:37:14 PM
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The 6.55 portion goes directly to KENGEN
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mzitoaggrey
#382 Posted : Friday, May 27, 2016 12:49:44 PM
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Will the dilution bring it to 5 bob when the rights begin to trade?
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h2s
#383 Posted : Friday, May 27, 2016 3:25:59 PM
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mzitoaggrey wrote:
Will the dilution bring it to 5 bob when the rights begin to trade?

Only Mr. Time can answer that.
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mthaka
#384 Posted : Friday, May 27, 2016 3:35:34 PM
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why invest in a share at 6.55 and then sell at 3 bob and the company is making profits?

at time wazua has some jokers
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sparkly
#385 Posted : Saturday, May 28, 2016 2:23:26 AM
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mzitoaggrey wrote:
Will the dilution bring it to 5 bob when the rights begin to trade?


The people to be diluted are those who will not defend their rights. It doesn't make sense for them to sell at 4 bob when they were diluted at 6.55 and the true value of the share is north of 20 bob. But hey markets are ruled by emotion, nothing is impossible
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VituVingiSana
#386 Posted : Saturday, May 28, 2016 6:42:47 AM
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Alcohol manufacturer turns to solar power to stem costs

http://www.businessdaily...4/-/dmkht0/-/index.html

KPLC will definitely take a hit as more folks turn to solar installed at their premises be they home-owners using solar to heat their water or factories installing solar roofs to provide power for lighting & even manufacturing.

Will KenGen suffer from lower sales (or expansion)?

This is HUGE!

"...power bill from electricity distributor Kenya Power is in excess of Sh60 million annually"

"looking to save Sh18 million in power costs annually for at least 25 years with the installation of solar panels on its factory's rooftops in Athi River."

"...the company would recoup the initial investment in solar energy in six years."

"The cost-cutting drive has also led the firm to construct a biogas plant fed with molasses waste to generate electricity, saving it Sh10 million annually"
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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MadDoc
#387 Posted : Saturday, May 28, 2016 8:33:49 AM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
Alcohol manufacturer turns to solar power to stem costs

http://www.businessdaily...4/-/dmkht0/-/index.html

KPLC will definitely take a hit as more folks turn to solar installed at their premises be they home-owners using solar to heat their water or factories installing solar roofs to provide power for lighting & even manufacturing.

Will KenGen suffer from lower sales (or expansion)?

This is HUGE!

"...power bill from electricity distributor Kenya Power is in excess of Sh60 million annually"

"looking to save Sh18 million in power costs annually for at least 25 years with the installation of solar panels on its factory's rooftops in Athi River."

"...the company would recoup the initial investment in solar energy in six years."

"The cost-cutting drive has also led the firm to construct a biogas plant fed with molasses waste to generate electricity, saving it Sh10 million annually"


" Tightlipped about the cost...and runs parallel to the electricity grid." Seems to be more of a backup. KenGen injects cheap geothermal power to the grid. As long as it continues to do so n the setup costs for solar power remains prohibitive, it's still in business.
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VituVingiSana
#388 Posted : Saturday, May 28, 2016 8:52:04 AM
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Now even 'retail' customers are getting into the energy business. This is for those in rural areas.

http://www.nation.co.ke/...20/-/93rw5a/-/index.html
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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VituVingiSana
#389 Posted : Saturday, May 28, 2016 8:56:36 AM
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MadDoc wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Alcohol manufacturer turns to solar power to stem costs

http://www.businessdaily...4/-/dmkht0/-/index.html

KPLC will definitely take a hit as more folks turn to solar installed at their premises be they home-owners using solar to heat their water or factories installing solar roofs to provide power for lighting & even manufacturing.

Will KenGen suffer from lower sales (or expansion)?

This is HUGE!

"...power bill from electricity distributor Kenya Power is in excess of Sh60 million annually"

"looking to save Sh18 million in power costs annually for at least 25 years with the installation of solar panels on its factory's rooftops in Athi River."

"...the company would recoup the initial investment in solar energy in six years."

"The cost-cutting drive has also led the firm to construct a biogas plant fed with molasses waste to generate electricity, saving it Sh10 million annually"


" Tightlipped about the cost...and runs parallel to the electricity grid." Seems to be more of a backup. KenGen injects cheap geothermal power to the grid. As long as it continues to do so n the setup costs for solar power remains prohibitive, it's still in business.


It seems the idea is that KPLC becomes the back-up coz the solar generation, despite its cost, is saving them money or they would not have installed it.

Anyway, good luck with all the new projects to inject more power into the system. I hope the large industrial consumers are there to take up the new supply.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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watesh
#390 Posted : Saturday, May 28, 2016 9:52:06 AM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
Alcohol manufacturer turns to solar power to stem costs

http://www.businessdaily...4/-/dmkht0/-/index.html

KPLC will definitely take a hit as more folks turn to solar installed at their premises be they home-owners using solar to heat their water or factories installing solar roofs to provide power for lighting & even manufacturing.

Will KenGen suffer from lower sales (or expansion)?

This is HUGE!

"...power bill from electricity distributor Kenya Power is in excess of Sh60 million annually"

"looking to save Sh18 million in power costs annually for at least 25 years with the installation of solar panels on its factory's rooftops in Athi River."

"...the company would recoup the initial investment in solar energy in six years."

"The cost-cutting drive has also led the firm to construct a biogas plant fed with molasses waste to generate electricity, saving it Sh10 million annually"

We are still consuming very little power as compared to some developed nations. 1500MW demand while South Africa says 45,000MW is not enough. I still see lots of room for growth. Solar still cannot be stored in humongous quantities and its great for those companies with lots of idle land.
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