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Spikes
#4981 Posted : Friday, July 22, 2016 9:14:54 AM
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obiero wrote:
Spikes wrote:
obiero wrote:
Spikes wrote:
obiero wrote:
29 days till results are released. 7.6b loss and below and we shall be all clear for take off.anything deeper and I shall consider a second exit..



Take off with negative equity and monumental dilution from government injection of billions of shillings to be converted into common stock!

with all the asset sales and paid down debt. one still expects a constant negative equity position.. smh




You will be shocked for another disastrous plunge to 3.50/-

I guess the clown was serious this time.. Though KES 3.5 is unlikely



Are you serious? Unlikely when we are expecting an all-out catastrophe in next year profit announcement, 2016/2017 financial year! Remember there are no assets to sale nor landing slots to relinquish to it competitors. I am waiting @50 cents.


There are critical stages in any stock:

1. A stock can disobey a cartoon like KQ and MSC for now are moving opposite directions of the charts.
2. Government controlled firms can remain in the dark as long as the politicians want.

PS. @obiero you have a short memory. Still you have not accepted that negative equity has double and 2016/17 it will triple. Don't hope when you should fear!
John 5:17 But Jesus replied, “My Father is always working, and so am I.”
Kausha
#4982 Posted : Friday, July 22, 2016 9:53:32 AM
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Things are getting tough year. Doesn't look like there is a turn around plan afoot. KQ needs to go back to basics, cut the non profitable routes, return non profitable planes or idle planes, reduce work force and other overheads and focus on repaying debt down. Once cash flow positive they can begin to make strategic moves. Fixing KQ in its current state and size is a near impossible task.
maka
#4983 Posted : Friday, July 22, 2016 9:55:29 AM
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Kausha wrote:
Things are getting tough year. Doesn't look like there is a turn around plan afoot. KQ needs to go back to basics, cut the non profitable routes, return non profitable planes or idle planes, reduce work force and other overheads and focus on repaying debt down. Once cash flow positive they can begin to make strategic moves. Fixing KQ in its current state and size is a near impossible task.


Haven't they done all that...btw work force is really really strained if they continue down sizing...OTP will be greatly affected they have been warned on that severally.Guys are really strained and disgruntled.

You can imagine even drinking water for staff which is a requirement of the law hawana...or comes in after a few days of being missing...no allowance for acting posts...rem the story for the provident fund?Honestly what else can you do to make the lives of the workers unbearable?
possunt quia posse videntur
VituVingiSana
#4984 Posted : Friday, July 22, 2016 10:05:35 AM
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This blogpost from 2012 was on the money! http://coldtusker.blogsp...d&utm_medium=twitter
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
maka
#4985 Posted : Friday, July 22, 2016 10:11:37 AM
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[quote=VituVingiSana]This blogpost from 2012 was on the money! http://coldtusker.blogsp...&utm_medium=twitter[/quote]

It came to pass...
possunt quia posse videntur
VituVingiSana
#4986 Posted : Friday, July 22, 2016 10:14:57 AM
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maka wrote:
[quote=VituVingiSana]This blogpost from 2012 was on the money! http://coldtusker.blogsp...&utm_medium=twitter[/quote]

It came to pass...


"Question to potential 'new' shareholders. If KQ's Board of Directors can do this to existing shareholders today, how sure can you be the same will not be done to you in 3 years?"

Yes, it came to pass. The existing shareholders (post-Rights) will be massively diluted as the 'new' GoK cash is converted into shares.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
MaichBlack
#4987 Posted : Friday, July 22, 2016 10:22:42 AM
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Impunity wrote:
obiero wrote:
Spikes wrote:
obiero wrote:
Spikes wrote:
obiero wrote:
Tomorrow's price is likely to be the final time in recent memory that we shall reach KES 4.60. It is official, the plane is ready for take off



You are forgetting the fact that ensuing court battle by sacked employees might tank this stock further to 2/-.

This time around there shall be no court case. Trust me.. Tomorrow's price and volume action on the share shall show the way forward




Even if it jumps to 4.6/-with huge volume the fact remains this is sugar-coated speculation. Ni kama kukanyaga makaa ya moto! Utakosa kuchomeka kweli? @obiero if your speculation theory obeys you by Fry-dei jump out with more than 30%- otherwise you risk your fortune herein.

KES 4.70 printed. We shall not see these prices again. Once we break out of KES 5.00, only God knows where we shall land. As I have posited and opined here severally, KQ should never have traded below KES 8.00 and its real value is KES 14 with a possible premium of upto KES 45 per share based on return to profitability..


Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

@Obiero surely!!! This "inside information" of yours must be the worst in the history of inside information!!! Imagine all the poor newbies that might have followed @Obiero and his "inside information"!!!
Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
MaichBlack
#4988 Posted : Friday, July 22, 2016 10:32:32 AM
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obiero wrote:
160,900 KQ sold out at KES 4.50; take home KES 708,845.. Viewing of the leaked actual financials late last night, triggered my thought pattern. one of my ladies in an established media house had filled me in.. was at the trading floor way beyond opening hour. I had to blind side a few investors and I apologise for ratting out but capital preservation preceeds integrity. However, I remain interested in the share and will likely reinvest on lower entry point

@Obiero - On Wednesday, you stated that come what may, you cannot accept anything below 12/= on your KQ shares. Next morning you are selling at 4.50/=

You really need to reevaluate your source of "inside information".

Link: @Obiero not accepting anything below Kshs. 12/= on KQ shares - see post #4917
Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
iris
#4989 Posted : Friday, July 22, 2016 10:44:43 AM
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MaichBlack wrote:
obiero wrote:
160,900 KQ sold out at KES 4.50; take home KES 708,845.. Viewing of the leaked actual financials late last night, triggered my thought pattern. one of my ladies in an established media house had filled me in.. was at the trading floor way beyond opening hour. I had to blind side a few investors and I apologise for ratting out but capital preservation preceeds integrity. However, I remain interested in the share and will likely reinvest on lower entry point

@Obiero - On Wednesday, you stated that come what may, you cannot accept anything below 12/= on your KQ shares. Next morning you are selling at 4.50/=

You really need to reevaluate your source of "inside information".

Link: @Obiero not accepting anything below Kshs. 12/= on KQ shares - see post #4917


@Maich, the "inside information" may even have been spot-on, who knows. Remember:

"I had to blind side a few investors and I apologise for ratting out but capital preservation preceeds integrity"

Lesson for the innocent..

VituVingiSana
#4990 Posted : Friday, July 22, 2016 10:49:30 AM
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MaichBlack wrote:
obiero wrote:
160,900 KQ sold out at KES 4.50; take home KES 708,845.. Viewing of the leaked actual financials late last night, triggered my thought pattern. one of my ladies in an established media house had filled me in.. was at the trading floor way beyond opening hour. I had to blind side a few investors and I apologise for ratting out but capital preservation preceeds integrity. However, I remain interested in the share and will likely reinvest on lower entry point

@Obiero - On Wednesday, you stated that come what may, you cannot accept anything below 12/= on your KQ shares. Next morning you are selling at 4.50/=

You really need to reevaluate your source of "inside information".

Link: @Obiero not accepting anything below Kshs. 12/= on KQ shares - see post #4917


I have tried to expose this conman and his ways. If there are still some who believe him... Washindwe.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
winmak
#4991 Posted : Friday, July 22, 2016 10:55:06 AM
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iris wrote:
MaichBlack wrote:
obiero wrote:
160,900 KQ sold out at KES 4.50; take home KES 708,845.. Viewing of the leaked actual financials late last night, triggered my thought pattern. one of my ladies in an established media house had filled me in.. was at the trading floor way beyond opening hour. I had to blind side a few investors and I apologise for ratting out but capital preservation preceeds integrity. However, I remain interested in the share and will likely reinvest on lower entry point

@Obiero - On Wednesday, you stated that come what may, you cannot accept anything below 12/= on your KQ shares. Next morning you are selling at 4.50/=

You really need to reevaluate your source of "inside information".

Link: @Obiero not accepting anything below Kshs. 12/= on KQ shares - see post #4917


@Maich, the "inside information" may even have been spot-on, who knows. Remember:

"I had to blind side a few investors and I apologise for ratting out but capital preservation preceeds integrity"

Lesson for the innocent..



Pity the Winda website subscribers (does it still run by the way?)
For investors as a whole, returns decrease as motion increases ~ WB
VituVingiSana
#4992 Posted : Friday, July 22, 2016 10:59:37 AM
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winmak wrote:
iris wrote:
MaichBlack wrote:
obiero wrote:
160,900 KQ sold out at KES 4.50; take home KES 708,845.. Viewing of the leaked actual financials late last night, triggered my thought pattern. one of my ladies in an established media house had filled me in.. was at the trading floor way beyond opening hour. I had to blind side a few investors and I apologise for ratting out but capital preservation preceeds integrity. However, I remain interested in the share and will likely reinvest on lower entry point

@Obiero - On Wednesday, you stated that come what may, you cannot accept anything below 12/= on your KQ shares. Next morning you are selling at 4.50/=

You really need to reevaluate your source of "inside information".

Link: @Obiero not accepting anything below Kshs. 12/= on KQ shares - see post #4917


@Maich, the "inside information" may even have been spot-on, who knows. Remember:

"I had to blind side a few investors and I apologise for ratting out but capital preservation preceeds integrity"

Lesson for the innocent..



Pity the Winda website subscribers (does it still run by the way?)
Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Ati, what? People pay money for this sort of shit?
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
obiero
#4993 Posted : Friday, July 22, 2016 11:08:15 AM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
winmak wrote:
iris wrote:
MaichBlack wrote:
obiero wrote:
160,900 KQ sold out at KES 4.50; take home KES 708,845.. Viewing of the leaked actual financials late last night, triggered my thought pattern. one of my ladies in an established media house had filled me in.. was at the trading floor way beyond opening hour. I had to blind side a few investors and I apologise for ratting out but capital preservation preceeds integrity. However, I remain interested in the share and will likely reinvest on lower entry point

@Obiero - On Wednesday, you stated that come what may, you cannot accept anything below 12/= on your KQ shares. Next morning you are selling at 4.50/=

You really need to reevaluate your source of "inside information".

Link: @Obiero not accepting anything below Kshs. 12/= on KQ shares - see post #4917


@Maich, the "inside information" may even have been spot-on, who knows. Remember:

"I had to blind side a few investors and I apologise for ratting out but capital preservation preceeds integrity"

Lesson for the innocent..



Pity the Winda website subscribers (does it still run by the way?)
Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Ati, what? People pay money for this sort of shit?

Lol.. Imagine people do.. And KQ formed personal holding. Never have I recommended it to your shitty mind

COOP 255,000 ABP 15.85; KQ 544,100 ABP 7.15; MTN 23,800 ABP 5.20
obiero
#4994 Posted : Friday, July 22, 2016 11:11:05 AM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
MaichBlack wrote:
obiero wrote:
160,900 KQ sold out at KES 4.50; take home KES 708,845.. Viewing of the leaked actual financials late last night, triggered my thought pattern. one of my ladies in an established media house had filled me in.. was at the trading floor way beyond opening hour. I had to blind side a few investors and I apologise for ratting out but capital preservation preceeds integrity. However, I remain interested in the share and will likely reinvest on lower entry point

@Obiero - On Wednesday, you stated that come what may, you cannot accept anything below 12/= on your KQ shares. Next morning you are selling at 4.50/=

You really need to reevaluate your source of "inside information".

Link: @Obiero not accepting anything below Kshs. 12/= on KQ shares - see post #4917


I have tried to expose this conman and his ways. If there are still some who believe him... Washindwe.

But why does your mother trust me with extreme sensitive areas. I am a noble man

COOP 255,000 ABP 15.85; KQ 544,100 ABP 7.15; MTN 23,800 ABP 5.20
MaichBlack
#4995 Posted : Friday, July 22, 2016 11:15:14 AM
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ArrestedDev wrote:
Besides the gulf carriers, Look at how KLM is pulling a fast one on KQ due to the incompetence of its executives.

Quote:
“KLM feels that it dominates only because KQ does not put in similar effort,” says the Seabury report. “It does not prepare for meetings and frequently does not have proper background for their positions.”

One of the recommendations given by the consultants is that KLM needs to take time to explain sophisticated issues to KQ “stay transparent and include KQ input in all steps of decisions”.

KQ was also asked to assign “top talent” into the working groups and resources. This is because KQ employees have a general lack of understanding on how the joint venture operates and how to cooperate at day-to-day levels.


http://www.nation.co.ke/.../-/5b5k7uz/-/index.html^

In short, they are saying KQ is being run by a bunch of idiots. And they have full control of the company!

Surely, what can be worse to a company???

You'd rather have your company facing a number of external challenges but being ran by a group of smart, informed, experienced and committed employees than have it being ran by a bunch of idiots in any environment!!!
Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
obiero
#4996 Posted : Friday, July 22, 2016 11:32:23 AM
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obiero wrote:
Gatheuzi wrote:
obiero wrote:
todays purchase may have been fueled by pride, but I actually bought more of this stock and after sinking in all available information I have decided that I shall continue to buy into the near term.. My move is highly evaluated and highly risky.. It may lead to unimaginable losses but then again it could lead to unrestrained gains.. Im no longer asking any wazuan to join me, im flying this plane solo, kamikaze style :)

Enjoy the ride bro. I love your guts. Iam sure you will come back with good tales of how the skyline was. You are not solo, CS treasury may add some cash for more fuel while the dutch brothers may chip in for snacks.

@Gatheuzi. Im seeing a clear KES 40 for KQ in the next 24months.. I may be wrong, but then again I may be right..

20.11.2014 a gentleman disclaimer was issued

COOP 255,000 ABP 15.85; KQ 544,100 ABP 7.15; MTN 23,800 ABP 5.20
MaichBlack
#4997 Posted : Friday, July 22, 2016 11:32:58 AM
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obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
MaichBlack wrote:
obiero wrote:
160,900 KQ sold out at KES 4.50; take home KES 708,845.. Viewing of the leaked actual financials late last night, triggered my thought pattern. one of my ladies in an established media house had filled me in.. was at the trading floor way beyond opening hour. I had to blind side a few investors and I apologise for ratting out but capital preservation preceeds integrity. However, I remain interested in the share and will likely reinvest on lower entry point

@Obiero - On Wednesday, you stated that come what may, you cannot accept anything below 12/= on your KQ shares. Next morning you are selling at 4.50/=

You really need to reevaluate your source of "inside information".

Link: @Obiero not accepting anything below Kshs. 12/= on KQ shares - see post #4917


I have tried to expose this conman and his ways. If there are still some who believe him... Washindwe.

But why does your mother trust me with extreme sensitive areas. I am a noble man

Have some class @Obiero. Surely!!?? This kind of language is beneath even a class 3 drop out!!!

You cannot use such language anywhere let alone in Wazua.
Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
Swenani
#4998 Posted : Friday, July 22, 2016 11:40:54 AM
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obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
MaichBlack wrote:
obiero wrote:
160,900 KQ sold out at KES 4.50; take home KES 708,845.. Viewing of the leaked actual financials late last night, triggered my thought pattern. one of my ladies in an established media house had filled me in.. was at the trading floor way beyond opening hour. I had to blind side a few investors and I apologise for ratting out but capital preservation preceeds integrity. However, I remain interested in the share and will likely reinvest on lower entry point

@Obiero - On Wednesday, you stated that come what may, you cannot accept anything below 12/= on your KQ shares. Next morning you are selling at 4.50/=

You really need to reevaluate your source of "inside information".

Link: @Obiero not accepting anything below Kshs. 12/= on KQ shares - see post #4917




I have tried to expose this conman and his ways. If there are still some who believe him... Washindwe.

But why does your mother trust me with extreme sensitive areas. I am a noble man


waaaah
If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
MaichBlack
#4999 Posted : Friday, July 22, 2016 11:41:41 AM
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@ProverB deserves a Wazua Nobel price. He called out this shares when it was trading at around 55/= (Six years ago!!!). The share is now trading at 4.00/=!!!

What's more, he called it when a majority were bullish on this stock and unlike the fellows who shout buy buy and sell sell, he actually explained his points very clearly!!!

@ProverB - Hats off my brother!! Maximum respect.

Applause Applause Applause Applause Applause Applause

Link: Visit the first page of this thread!!!
Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
Kausha
#5000 Posted : Friday, July 22, 2016 11:46:19 AM
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@Maka, the route downsizing has not been done, it is rather evident. This is the elephant in the room and it is the bitter pill to be swallowed before the patient can be moved to HDU and hopefully the General Ward. I am yet to run the exact numbers but this is the general theme. Let us retrace where the roof started cracking. Back in 2004 - 2006 KQ was running a very profitable and near optimally resourced airline. Load factors were among the best in global aviation space. What did Tito and team do? They went on a route opening spree opening up new routes in remote places in Africa whose result was to go into cities whose aviation routes were not developed and would require long lead times. Nothing wrong with that but it is the pace of doing it. One can't have 30% of new routes that have long lead times opened up in 2 years. If you are expanding into big cities where the economies are large enough, passenger volumes and airport infra support viable business cases then you only have to deal with competition to make money. What happens when you go to economies emerging from decades of war, ravaged by political instability, limited commerce and challenged airport infra? you end up having to wait for eons to make money or worse you never make money over the next 10-20 years because the routes don't make commercial sense and perhaps that is the reason why nobody flies there. I believe this is what KQ needs to trail its eyes on.

KQ has many of these routes to West Africa, what has happened is that the cash holes have drained the good routes and challenged the resources and quality of product on the profitable routes (OTP, price flexibility and Equipment quality) to the extent the profitable routes were since invaded by competition while KQ was opening up Africa its share severely dented. Classic examples are; Nairobi - Lagos, Nairobi - Lusaka, Nairobi - Dubai, Nairobi - Accra, Nairobi - London, Nairobi - Bangkok etc.

The Western Africa routes I believe had very weak business cases supporting them and closing down non profitable ones is the initial step in getting KQ back on recovery. The routes have ended up messing KQ's aircraft architecture, where KQ would use large B777s and optimize on scale while making shitloads of cash, they now ended up having to rely on Embraers which are limited in cargo haulage and economies of scale. Plus if you are landing in Lagos daily with an Embraer or an enroute 737-800 when you used to land daily with a 777, iko shida.

Until KQ retraces it's business model fixing the business as is, will be very expensive and inefficient.

In 2012 I predicted KQ would be a government baill off case by 2015, my fear is if they don't shrink, the airline my to be broken up into what GoK requires to have as a minimum for strategic reasons which they can support and what must the other airline but that must be let to die. Tz and Uganda already let their national carriers die natural deaths it's not unthinkable.
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