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Breaking : 2 Explosions reported on Buses along Thika road
murchr
#241 Posted : Tuesday, May 06, 2014 7:07:16 PM
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guru267 wrote:
murchr wrote:
That is why if an accident occurs and you are found to have violated any rules, then you are charged with murder or manslaughter.


Was this an accident?? I would equate terror to a hijacking..

What rules exactly did they violate being under attack from a foreign army??

Have the forgotten to arrest the owners of Westgate?? The NCCK?? What about affected restaurant and hotel owners??


This was not an accident, a man walked over to the mat and was allowed by the conductor and driver to put a device that would eventually blow up innocent people in their vehicle because they ignored procedure.

West gate...the attackers ambushed the mall and took everyone hostage. Just like a bank robber can get into a bank ambushing everyone. The situation is different.

There is no foreign army here, the attackers are civilians kwani you equate that rug tug militia to an army? As you give them that much respect? Who are you guru?
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Obi 1 Kanobi
#242 Posted : Tuesday, May 06, 2014 7:22:14 PM
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murchr wrote:
People go read the bill of rights and responsibilities of a citizen as enshrined in the constitution and quit spewing your ignorance here

--Citizens have to ensure the government protects its people rights and freedoms and the country against internal and external threats to its territorial integrity and sovereignty.

When you apply for a PSV license either as a driver or mat owner, you have taken/signed up to the responsibilities of protecting every citizen in that vehicle. That is why if an accident occurs and you are found to have violated any rules, then you are charged with murder or manslaughter.




@Muchr, You have hit rock bottom, please stop digging.

A matatu licence now has expanded responsibilities for stopping terrorsit actsd'oh! d'oh!
"The purpose of bureaucracy is to compensate for incompetence and lack of discipline." James Collins
guru267
#243 Posted : Tuesday, May 06, 2014 7:26:46 PM
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murchr wrote:
There is no foreign army here, the attackers are civilians kwani you equate that rug tug militia to an army? As you give them that much respect? Who are you guru?


Kwani where did you study English??

Oxford definition!
Army - an organized military force equipped for fighting on land.

So now you want to move from arresting conductors to guru267! Shame on you

What kind of circus are you guys running over there??

Kindly Arrest NCCK leadership for not hiring security to protect their worshipers where the attacks took place!
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
ecstacy
#244 Posted : Tuesday, May 06, 2014 7:38:39 PM
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Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:
ecstacy wrote:


This will work well in deterrent. If you don't mind your own security many other Kenyans do. Why did the crew not search passengers on this ill fated bus as advised by security forces whilst many other routes and matatus do, worse hours just after an attack on the public transport system. You want to complain about security but heap everything on government. Let people get serious. It takes some of these small acts to prevent large scale damage. Unfortunately, in two failings, that of the government and yours, don't expect the government to run to prosecute itself.


Why I'm I not suprised that this is coming from @ecstacy.
This would be hillarious if it weren't sad. Is there a law requiring matatu conductors to prevent crime. How about you charge Kimaiyo and all his police force fr failing to prevent crime.


Is life that cheap to you? Are you hoping for safety in numbers? Do you think families of the victims agree with you?

Plane fighter pilots are charged with involuntary manslaughter and assault for "friendly fire" incidents that result in death and injury.

Ship captains are charged with involuntary manslaughter for any action regarded as dereliction of duty that results in loss of any human life.

If you had duty or control over the principal offender but failed you can be accused of aiding and abeting the crime. For example, the owner of a car who lets another person drive dangerously without taking steps to prevent it may be guilty because of their control over the driver's use of the vehicle.

Simply put, Kenya is in transition and before every comma and fullstop is penned, we cannot allow greedy matatu crews to knowingly put the lives of Kenyans at risk for the sake of making a quick buck.

They are no better than that immigration officer who issued a fake passport or that police officer who received a bribe to look away as a vehicle smuggled contraband some of which included weapons used against Kenyans.

They ALL need to face consequences for personal choices made that have robbed other citizens their right to life and health.
marko
#245 Posted : Tuesday, May 06, 2014 7:39:10 PM
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harrydre
#246 Posted : Tuesday, May 06, 2014 7:44:07 PM
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butterflyke wrote:


When I heard the news over radio, I shook my head

Iko chida

Yes we all have some responsibility in securing the country but if this is how the gava is going handle this matter, then the next thing we should hear of is Polis1 charged for inefficient protection of wananchi....


to be honest if they had done their job, this would not have happened.
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guru267
#247 Posted : Tuesday, May 06, 2014 7:50:08 PM
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So now on top of worrying about being maimed by a terrorist I have to worry about being charged "for failing to protect myself... Sad
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
marko
#248 Posted : Tuesday, May 06, 2014 7:51:39 PM
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harrydre wrote:
butterflyke wrote:


When I heard the news over radio, I shook my head

Iko chida

Yes we all have some responsibility in securing the country but if this is how the gava is going handle this matter, then the next thing we should hear of is Polis1 charged for inefficient protection of wananchi....


to be honest if they had done their job, this would not have happened.


Yenyewe serikali ni nyunjure.
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itz
#249 Posted : Tuesday, May 06, 2014 8:00:36 PM
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tycho wrote:
2012 wrote:
It's almost game over for these terrorists. Attack on Thika rd is just too close to UK's heart and since this guy is like his father, he will stop at nothing.


Is there a country/president in the world which or who has won in the war against terror? Some of think Israel is a paragon but consider how much the country has facilitated the growth of militants across the world. America? Witness the growth of militia across this country, the destabilization of states and even the sponsorship of these terror groups like in Syria or Libya. Russia? Which country is successful? None!

So let's not egg our president and selves into destruction courtesy of simplistic thinking.

@tyco that is exactly what am trying to tell folks here.it is a hard battle to win
murchr
#250 Posted : Tuesday, May 06, 2014 8:02:22 PM
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Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:
murchr wrote:
People go read the bill of rights and responsibilities of a citizen as enshrined in the constitution and quit spewing your ignorance here

--Citizens have to ensure the government protects its people rights and freedoms and the country against internal and external threats to its territorial integrity and sovereignty.

When you apply for a PSV license either as a driver or mat owner, you have taken/signed up to the responsibilities of protecting every citizen in that vehicle. That is why if an accident occurs and you are found to have violated any rules, then you are charged with murder or manslaughter.




@Muchr, You have hit rock bottom, please stop digging.

A matatu licence now has expanded responsibilities for stopping terrorsit actsd'oh! d'oh!


What is the use of a License?

Its main purpose is to cut you out of the pack something to show that you are certified to give a service. That the public can have confidence in you for the sercive that you give. Now that comes with responsibility and thats why there are rules and regulations. If you who holds a license has violated the rules and regulations then you need to be accountable for your actions.

The same applies to other service givers eg doctors, hospitality establishments etc.

"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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