Changing values and changing 'for the better" is a good trait, i for one have learnt plenty from discussions here. Many people cling to dangerous styles of reasoning be it terrorist, tribalist (some wazuans have been tribal for the last ten years and arguing..) thieves, sluts, acting porn e.tc and will argue about the pros of their ways. I am an individual not a group, particularly when it comes to facts and TRUTH. Cards, memes, "cleverish sayings",e.t.c is no truth, TRUTH must be respected by all, and defended, as i said all this is not new, that's what most people seem to fail to understand, they think they are in a "modern" world with "new things", and anything African is "primitive", particularly cultural, and has to be confronted by some 'western style', lakini haya mambo tumezoea kwa ulimwengu hu miaka na miaka, in my culture there are writings about this, David Mailu wrote how kambas delt with this issue traditionally several years before it become "an issue", some things have been a problem in the past, are a problem today and will still be a problem 1000 years from now, and we know what the TRUTH is that's all! Come back in 2000 years and you will find a sickly gay 'stubborn' minority even then, especially if easy money is there to be gotten by men!

As i said the data is out there and very easy to access on google, i don't know why you are trying to make this some "surprising thing", even on this thread it is @harrydre who stated the WELL KNOWN FACT. Who am i to go hunting for data to satisfy for fake ignorance? i worked on this programme 11 YEARS AGO, National Aids Ngos Council, NASCOP, KANCO, GFATM, WHO, RED CROSS, ALL MEDICAL EXPERTS working in this field in Kenya, Your problem is not facts, or data sijui sources, it's simply language!...or denial, i can't help with those, i am not the expert in HIV but i was PAID to research and listen to several doctors from around the globe for two years! I am not the wazua googler for gay information, leave it there, but as an African, i really feel sorry for the mothers of these 'lady like kizungu mingi talking men"! that's all!

Hapa ni logic aka common sense pia sana sana, because the data has already been analysed by reputable organisations such as RED CROSS, WHO, our individual z-tech level analysis are bogus, why do a 'new' analysis of 'something new', this is a thousands year old problem, there were no data analyst when the bible was being written thousands of years ago, but people back then had the data that this is tabia ya ujinga . Bias is the biggest problem, Ambithology will always phrase her questions in a way to ensure the truth she wants emerges, i think LOGIC demands that we look at the quality of the originating institution and the conclusions from THEIR data. Use RED CROSS conclusions for example, not brag with our simplistic data skills za middo crass guesswork/z-tech standard.

)If you are a man who has ever had sex with a man (MSM), we can't take your blood due to what we as high risks of "all sorts of contaminations". HIV, Hepatitis C, Herpes, trichomoniasis...

How come this is so difficult for some to understand? Bias, someone already has a position on the issue and the CAN"T move, they are STUCK in their own world of deluded myths that everything is this way, when the truth is clear. Paradigms!

I will not oppose or disagree with Much Know. Though him, like Hardwood, are the first guys I fought with here but at least I recognise there are areas where our ideas, though not blended, are not necessarily in conflict.

There are some decisions where political correctness is not needed no matter how romantic people feel about them. E.g. Ati we have to (pretend) to accept his blood or else his feelings will be hurt ... especially when they say and insist it's in the genes.