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maka
#4881 Posted : Tuesday, July 19, 2016 6:58:34 AM
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ArrestedDev wrote:
maka wrote:
21st July...thats Thursday I believe...


What will happen by then? Yves last working day?


Results....Yves is on leave.
possunt quia posse videntur
obiero
#4882 Posted : Tuesday, July 19, 2016 2:04:28 PM
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ArrestedDev wrote:
maka wrote:
21st July...thats Thursday I believe...


What will happen by then? Yves last working day?

9 days to go.. The rally is full on as predicted by @karasinga

COOP 255,000 ABP 15.85; KQ 544,100 ABP 7.15; MTN 23,800 ABP 5.20
ArrestedDev
#4883 Posted : Tuesday, July 19, 2016 2:22:34 PM
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obiero wrote:
ArrestedDev wrote:
maka wrote:
21st July...thats Thursday I believe...


What will happen by then? Yves last working day?

9 days to go.. The rally is full on as predicted by @karasinga


Thursday as @Maka states.

CS Treasury hints at an equity partner within one month from now. They will play with it to favour them.

enyands
#4884 Posted : Tuesday, July 19, 2016 4:19:31 PM
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ArrestedDev wrote:
obiero wrote:
ArrestedDev wrote:
maka wrote:
21st July...thats Thursday I believe...


What will happen by then? Yves last working day?

9 days to go.. The rally is full on as predicted by @karasinga


Thursday as @Maka states.

CS Treasury hints at an equity partner within one month from now. They will play with it to favour them.



Interesting. Thursday is the day ,then a month time is when true shareholding will be realised! !!hope not dilution of current shareholders by creating more shares! !
obiero
#4885 Posted : Tuesday, July 19, 2016 8:16:55 PM
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enyands wrote:
ArrestedDev wrote:
obiero wrote:
ArrestedDev wrote:
maka wrote:
21st July...thats Thursday I believe...


What will happen by then? Yves last working day?

9 days to go.. The rally is full on as predicted by @karasinga


Thursday as @Maka states.

CS Treasury hints at an equity partner within one month from now. They will play with it to favour them.



Interesting. Thursday is the day ,then a month time is when true shareholding will be realised! !!hope not dilution of current shareholders by creating more shares! !

1 day to go.. Confirmed that results will be released earlier than scheduled.. Let the good times roll

COOP 255,000 ABP 15.85; KQ 544,100 ABP 7.15; MTN 23,800 ABP 5.20
murchr
#4886 Posted : Tuesday, July 19, 2016 8:26:25 PM
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"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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obiero
#4887 Posted : Tuesday, July 19, 2016 8:30:07 PM
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obiero wrote:
ArrestedDev wrote:
obiero wrote:
10+ reasons to believe in operation pride atKQ:
1. End of hedging policy - Until end of 2016, some up to 2017
But welcome move with some of its stock priced at KES 88 against current price of KES 35
2. Cut off on HOTAC and other operational expenses - Operational issues still there leading to cancellations
OTP currently at 85 with cancellation being managed
3. Rightsizing of the workforce - New hires required in the long run. Only a short term measure
Lower staff costs even in the interim is welcome. We will hire more once we are well
4. Fuel efficient planes- Fuel expense still a major cost for an airline
More reason as to why the fuel costs must be tight via newer craft. KQ now has the 5th youngest fleet in aviation, globally
5. Route optimization - Few options within African continent/ Fierce competition
Shedding off on non viable or low revenue routes was mandatory
6. Category 1 status at main hub - KQ not ready to take advantage of it. Huge working capital outlay required to get the fleet back.
Increased safety for travel cannot be overstated. Even without direct US flights
7. GoK guaranteed debt at reduced pay out - Repayment need to be done in the long run
Agreed but isn't it better to pay GoK 4% than banks at 16%
8. Sale of non critical assets - Leads to reduced capacity/ Increase in operational costs e.g. lease of landing slot
The land at Embakasi, obsolete craft that depreciated by the hour. These had to go. The landing slot was not a key asset
9. Global reduction in fuel costs - Inefficiencies in fuel procurement will hinder full benefits KQ has set up a transformational office that manages procurement by way of committe
10. Revival in KE tourism - A plus but KQ flies to a few source markets KQ shall not fly to each and every country. We shall focus on sweating the assets on revenue generating targets
11. Budget carrier for booming middle-class - Expansion required going forward/ Entry of Fasjet Jambojet marketshare in Kenya is currently 90% for the 3 major routes. We can ceed market share to Fastjet, Easyjet and the others but still survive
12. Cleaned-up board and management - More needs to be done e.g. CEO need to be axed, substantive Finance head need to be appointed Only the CEO remains. Ngunze is a cerified CPA K with Harvard training.. He can double up as the CFO for now
13. Debt tenor restructure by main bankers - Longer tenure leads to higher interest cost Higher interest in the long run but we aim to retire the debt by way of principal repayments once profitability resumes by H1 2016-2017
14. Financial revamp by transaction advisers- Leads to dilution of sharesPJT aim to look at a mix of finance initiatives including but not limited to KLM pumping in additional funds to steady the turbulence. Will KLM lend at high interest rates to itself. That is unlikely


The underlying problem is revenue growth. The airline has a huge cost base and without revenue growth, it will take a considerable period of time to turnaround.

Glass half empty or half full.. Perception and conjecture theories.. Time will tell. 12 days to go

News just in.. Ethiopian are in the front running for a stake in KQ.. Virgin Atlantic also on queue.. Treasury however biased on a venture capitalist from USA

COOP 255,000 ABP 15.85; KQ 544,100 ABP 7.15; MTN 23,800 ABP 5.20
obiero
#4888 Posted : Tuesday, July 19, 2016 8:40:18 PM
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murchr wrote:

The Pride of Africa voted leading African Airline of the Year 2015

COOP 255,000 ABP 15.85; KQ 544,100 ABP 7.15; MTN 23,800 ABP 5.20
obiero
#4889 Posted : Tuesday, July 19, 2016 8:41:49 PM
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The Pride of Africa voted leading African Airline of the Year 2015


COOP 255,000 ABP 15.85; KQ 544,100 ABP 7.15; MTN 23,800 ABP 5.20
Spikes
#4890 Posted : Wednesday, July 20, 2016 6:15:31 AM
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obiero wrote:
murchr wrote:

The Pride of Africa voted leading African Airline of the Year 2015



http://www.businessdaily.../-/dvj6i2z/-/index.html

John 5:17 But Jesus replied, “My Father is always working, and so am I.”
mlennyma
#4891 Posted : Wednesday, July 20, 2016 9:34:45 AM
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It is obiero's time to eat.
"Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
Spikes
#4892 Posted : Wednesday, July 20, 2016 9:45:57 AM
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mlennyma wrote:
It is obiero's time to eat.



Is the perceived rally reliable or is simply value trap?
John 5:17 But Jesus replied, “My Father is always working, and so am I.”
obiero
#4893 Posted : Wednesday, July 20, 2016 10:04:17 AM
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Spikes wrote:
obiero wrote:
Spikes wrote:
obiero wrote:
Tomorrow's price is likely to be the final time in recent memory that we shall reach KES 4.60. It is official, the plane is ready for take off



You are forgetting the fact that ensuing court battle by sacked employees might tank this stock further to 2/-.

This time around there shall be no court case. Trust me.. Tomorrow's price and volume action on the share shall show the way forward




Even if it jumps to 4.6/-with huge volume the fact remains this is sugar-coated speculation. Ni kama kukanyaga makaa ya moto! Utakosa kuchomeka kweli? @obiero if your speculation theory obeys you by Fry-dei jump out with more than 30%- otherwise you risk your fortune herein.

KES 4.70 printed. We shall not see these prices again. Once we break out of KES 5.00, only God knows where we shall land. As I have posited and opined here severally, KQ should never have traded below KES 8.00 and its real value is KES 14 with a possible premium of upto KES 45 per share based on return to profitability..

COOP 255,000 ABP 15.85; KQ 544,100 ABP 7.15; MTN 23,800 ABP 5.20
mlennyma
#4894 Posted : Wednesday, July 20, 2016 10:14:39 AM
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obiero wrote:
Spikes wrote:
obiero wrote:
Spikes wrote:
obiero wrote:
Tomorrow's price is likely to be the final time in recent memory that we shall reach KES 4.60. It is official, the plane is ready for take off



You are forgetting the fact that ensuing court battle by sacked employees might tank this stock further to 2/-.

This time around there shall be no court case. Trust me.. Tomorrow's price and volume action on the share shall show the way forward




Even if it jumps to 4.6/-with huge volume the fact remains this is sugar-coated speculation. Ni kama kukanyaga makaa ya moto! Utakosa kuchomeka kweli? @obiero if your speculation theory obeys you by Fry-dei jump out with more than 30%- otherwise you risk your fortune herein.

KES 4.70 printed. We shall not see these prices again. Once we break out of KES 5.00, only God knows where we shall land. As I have posited and opined here severally, KQ should never have traded below KES 8.00 and its real value is KES 14 with a possible premium of upto KES 45 per share based on return to profitability..

i might get a chance to sell what i had kept for my great,great grand sons and daughters
"Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
obiero
#4895 Posted : Wednesday, July 20, 2016 10:30:36 AM
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Posts: 13,711
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mlennyma wrote:
obiero wrote:
Spikes wrote:
obiero wrote:
Spikes wrote:
obiero wrote:
Tomorrow's price is likely to be the final time in recent memory that we shall reach KES 4.60. It is official, the plane is ready for take off



You are forgetting the fact that ensuing court battle by sacked employees might tank this stock further to 2/-.

This time around there shall be no court case. Trust me.. Tomorrow's price and volume action on the share shall show the way forward




Even if it jumps to 4.6/-with huge volume the fact remains this is sugar-coated speculation. Ni kama kukanyaga makaa ya moto! Utakosa kuchomeka kweli? @obiero if your speculation theory obeys you by Fry-dei jump out with more than 30%- otherwise you risk your fortune herein.

KES 4.70 printed. We shall not see these prices again. Once we break out of KES 5.00, only God knows where we shall land. As I have posited and opined here severally, KQ should never have traded below KES 8.00 and its real value is KES 14 with a possible premium of upto KES 45 per share based on return to profitability..

i might get a chance to sell what i had kept for my great,great grand sons and daughters

Rest assured, that will happen. The caliber of investors in this firm is of the highest quality. GoK and Naikuni tried to screw us up, but Alhamdullilah our return on capital is now assured

COOP 255,000 ABP 15.85; KQ 544,100 ABP 7.15; MTN 23,800 ABP 5.20
ArrestedDev
#4896 Posted : Wednesday, July 20, 2016 10:39:35 AM
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Spikes wrote:
obiero wrote:
murchr wrote:

The Pride of Africa voted leading African Airline of the Year 2015



http://www.businessdaily.../-/dvj6i2z/-/index.html



Ngunze screwed up this product. He was the brainchild of the retrenchment of customer facing staff and outsourcing to poorly trained/ untrained staff ( KQ was ranked no. 78in 2012 before this exercise). An exercise which ended up costing the Company an arm and leg - New hires ended up costing the Co. much, retrenchments costs, legal costs to defend suit, loss of customers to competition due to poor service levels and many other associated costs.
ArrestedDev
#4897 Posted : Wednesday, July 20, 2016 10:45:14 AM
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obiero wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
obiero wrote:
Spikes wrote:
obiero wrote:
Spikes wrote:
obiero wrote:
Tomorrow's price is likely to be the final time in recent memory that we shall reach KES 4.60. It is official, the plane is ready for take off



You are forgetting the fact that ensuing court battle by sacked employees might tank this stock further to 2/-.

This time around there shall be no court case. Trust me.. Tomorrow's price and volume action on the share shall show the way forward




Even if it jumps to 4.6/-with huge volume the fact remains this is sugar-coated speculation. Ni kama kukanyaga makaa ya moto! Utakosa kuchomeka kweli? @obiero if your speculation theory obeys you by Fry-dei jump out with more than 30%- otherwise you risk your fortune herein.

KES 4.70 printed. We shall not see these prices again. Once we break out of KES 5.00, only God knows where we shall land. As I have posited and opined here severally, KQ should never have traded below KES 8.00 and its real value is KES 14 with a possible premium of upto KES 45 per share based on return to profitability..

i might get a chance to sell what i had kept for my great,great grand sons and daughters

Rest assured, that will happen. The caliber of investors in this firm is of the highest quality. GoK and Naikuni tried to screw us up, but Alhamdullilah our return on capital is now assured


The cartels supplying fuel and the other supplies are still screwing it up. That's why they are retaining a character that will take care of their interests. They do not care about the individual shareholders. They are holding the stake just to protect the supply contracts. If a character with integrity is placed at the top, he/she will tell them the truth.
ArrestedDev
#4898 Posted : Wednesday, July 20, 2016 10:53:47 AM
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obiero wrote:
obiero wrote:
ArrestedDev wrote:
obiero wrote:
10+ reasons to believe in operation pride atKQ:
1. End of hedging policy - Until end of 2016, some up to 2017
But welcome move with some of its stock priced at KES 88 against current price of KES 35
2. Cut off on HOTAC and other operational expenses - Operational issues still there leading to cancellations
OTP currently at 85 with cancellation being managed
3. Rightsizing of the workforce - New hires required in the long run. Only a short term measure
Lower staff costs even in the interim is welcome. We will hire more once we are well
4. Fuel efficient planes- Fuel expense still a major cost for an airline
More reason as to why the fuel costs must be tight via newer craft. KQ now has the 5th youngest fleet in aviation, globally
5. Route optimization - Few options within African continent/ Fierce competition
Shedding off on non viable or low revenue routes was mandatory
6. Category 1 status at main hub - KQ not ready to take advantage of it. Huge working capital outlay required to get the fleet back.
Increased safety for travel cannot be overstated. Even without direct US flights
7. GoK guaranteed debt at reduced pay out - Repayment need to be done in the long run
Agreed but isn't it better to pay GoK 4% than banks at 16%
8. Sale of non critical assets - Leads to reduced capacity/ Increase in operational costs e.g. lease of landing slot
The land at Embakasi, obsolete craft that depreciated by the hour. These had to go. The landing slot was not a key asset
9. Global reduction in fuel costs - Inefficiencies in fuel procurement will hinder full benefits KQ has set up a transformational office that manages procurement by way of committe
10. Revival in KE tourism - A plus but KQ flies to a few source markets KQ shall not fly to each and every country. We shall focus on sweating the assets on revenue generating targets
11. Budget carrier for booming middle-class - Expansion required going forward/ Entry of Fasjet Jambojet marketshare in Kenya is currently 90% for the 3 major routes. We can ceed market share to Fastjet, Easyjet and the others but still survive
12. Cleaned-up board and management - More needs to be done e.g. CEO need to be axed, substantive Finance head need to be appointed Only the CEO remains. Ngunze is a cerified CPA K with Harvard training.. He can double up as the CFO for now
13. Debt tenor restructure by main bankers - Longer tenure leads to higher interest cost Higher interest in the long run but we aim to retire the debt by way of principal repayments once profitability resumes by H1 2016-2017
14. Financial revamp by transaction advisers- Leads to dilution of sharesPJT aim to look at a mix of finance initiatives including but not limited to KLM pumping in additional funds to steady the turbulence. Will KLM lend at high interest rates to itself. That is unlikely


The underlying problem is revenue growth. The airline has a huge cost base and without revenue growth, it will take a considerable period of time to turnaround.

Glass half empty or half full.. Perception and conjecture theories.. Time will tell. 12 days to go

News just in.. Ethiopian are in the front running for a stake in KQ.. Virgin Atlantic also on queue.. Treasury however biased on a venture capitalist from USA


So that the interests of their masters are taken care of. Just what happened to Safaricom (Mobitelea), Telkom, KPRL and recently Pan Paper. The guy who orchestrated most of these deals is now very powerful and the bureaucrats at treasury including the one speaking there are very good in spinning.
Spikes
#4899 Posted : Wednesday, July 20, 2016 11:01:44 AM
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obiero wrote:
obiero wrote:
ArrestedDev wrote:
obiero wrote:
10+ reasons to believe in operation pride atKQ:
1. End of hedging policy - Until end of 2016, some up to 2017
But welcome move with some of its stock priced at KES 88 against current price of KES 35
2. Cut off on HOTAC and other operational expenses - Operational issues still there leading to cancellations
OTP currently at 85 with cancellation being managed
3. Rightsizing of the workforce - New hires required in the long run. Only a short term measure
Lower staff costs even in the interim is welcome. We will hire more once we are well
4. Fuel efficient planes- Fuel expense still a major cost for an airline
More reason as to why the fuel costs must be tight via newer craft. KQ now has the 5th youngest fleet in aviation, globally
5. Route optimization - Few options within African continent/ Fierce competition
Shedding off on non viable or low revenue routes was mandatory
6. Category 1 status at main hub - KQ not ready to take advantage of it. Huge working capital outlay required to get the fleet back.
Increased safety for travel cannot be overstated. Even without direct US flights
7. GoK guaranteed debt at reduced pay out - Repayment need to be done in the long run
Agreed but isn't it better to pay GoK 4% than banks at 16%
8. Sale of non critical assets - Leads to reduced capacity/ Increase in operational costs e.g. lease of landing slot
The land at Embakasi, obsolete craft that depreciated by the hour. These had to go. The landing slot was not a key asset
9. Global reduction in fuel costs - Inefficiencies in fuel procurement will hinder full benefits KQ has set up a transformational office that manages procurement by way of committe
10. Revival in KE tourism - A plus but KQ flies to a few source markets KQ shall not fly to each and every country. We shall focus on sweating the assets on revenue generating targets
11. Budget carrier for booming middle-class - Expansion required going forward/ Entry of Fasjet Jambojet marketshare in Kenya is currently 90% for the 3 major routes. We can ceed market share to Fastjet, Easyjet and the others but still survive
12. Cleaned-up board and management - More needs to be done e.g. CEO need to be axed, substantive Finance head need to be appointed Only the CEO remains. Ngunze is a cerified CPA K with Harvard training.. He can double up as the CFO for now
13. Debt tenor restructure by main bankers - Longer tenure leads to higher interest cost Higher interest in the long run but we aim to retire the debt by way of principal repayments once profitability resumes by H1 2016-2017
14. Financial revamp by transaction advisers- Leads to dilution of sharesPJT aim to look at a mix of finance initiatives including but not limited to KLM pumping in additional funds to steady the turbulence. Will KLM lend at high interest rates to itself. That is unlikely


The underlying problem is revenue growth. The airline has a huge cost base and without revenue growth, it will take a considerable period of time to turnaround.

Glass half empty or half full.. Perception and conjecture theories.. Time will tell. 12 days to go

News just in.. Ethiopian are in the front running for a stake in KQ.. Virgin Atlantic also on queue.. Treasury however biased on a venture capitalist from USA




@obiero why do you think the government is biased against USA venture capitalist?
John 5:17 But Jesus replied, “My Father is always working, and so am I.”
VituVingiSana
#4900 Posted : Wednesday, July 20, 2016 12:01:28 PM
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mlennyma wrote:
obiero wrote:
Spikes wrote:
obiero wrote:
Spikes wrote:
obiero wrote:
Tomorrow's price is likely to be the final time in recent memory that we shall reach KES 4.60. It is official, the plane is ready for take off



You are forgetting the fact that ensuing court battle by sacked employees might tank this stock further to 2/-.

This time around there shall be no court case. Trust me.. Tomorrow's price and volume action on the share shall show the way forward




Even if it jumps to 4.6/-with huge volume the fact remains this is sugar-coated speculation. Ni kama kukanyaga makaa ya moto! Utakosa kuchomeka kweli? @obiero if your speculation theory obeys you by Fry-dei jump out with more than 30%- otherwise you risk your fortune herein.

KES 4.70 printed. We shall not see these prices again. Once we break out of KES 5.00, only God knows where we shall land. As I have posited and opined here severally, KQ should never have traded below KES 8.00 and its real value is KES 14 with a possible premium of upto KES 45 per share based on return to profitability..

i might get a chance to sell what i had kept for my great,great grand sons and daughters
Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Applause Applause Applause Yaani, you don't want to wait for the 60/- like @Obiero?
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