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hardwood
#231 Posted : Monday, January 30, 2017 2:01:11 AM
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Even Israel agrees with Trump on the wall...

tycho
#232 Posted : Monday, January 30, 2017 2:20:12 AM
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I'm beguning to suspect that Trump's role for the elite is to facilitate the breaking away from a dollar centric world by playing on the Triffin paradox and encouraging the world to ask for a new global order.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triffin_dilemma

masukuma
#233 Posted : Monday, January 30, 2017 2:42:13 AM
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hardwood wrote:
Even Israel agrees with Trump on the wall...


I really don't think that "building a wall" is what most people are pissed about - he campaigned on it! he said he will build a "big beautiful wall".. it was going to be "YUGE!" and won! so case closed!! The immoral thing is forcing another country to pay for it! Did Palestinians pay for it? If you engage in public works - pay for them!


Secondly, I understand the reason you may want to block out large numbers of people from certain communities that are flooding in. The whole brexit response/reaction. It's all human psychology really. When @kiash went to the US alone. On a plane full of white faces he arrived and lived in a white looking community he had to change. His rough edges were softened and by now he is very much assimilated. When @tokyo went to japan - he had to figure it out. He possibly learnt the language and fitted in. For large of groups of people - this doesn't happen! They move as hordes and since they are still within communities that affirm their beliefs and don't need to change, sometimes they discuss the weirdness/ugliness and differences of the way of life of locals compared to theirs and their sub society becomes an echo chamber that reverberates their skewed opinions - we get the kind of "asante ya punda ni mateke" response Germans are getting from Syrians. The new group of Arabs cannot assimilate they live in communities in their thousands. unlike the previous groups. That is looking like the weakness of open door policies. On the flipside - it's kinda what pissed off Europeans about the Jews over the centuries. It pissed of Idi Amin over the Asians, Kinda what pissed of Kaleos about Kyuks in Kiambaa in Eldoret. But town... haina shida... everyone has to put up with everyone and it generally works out.
All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
Tokyo
#234 Posted : Monday, January 30, 2017 4:32:16 AM
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We need more leaders like Trump. I thought it's all talk like others but he is exceeding my expectations
work to prosper
harrydre
#235 Posted : Monday, January 30, 2017 5:29:40 AM
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alma1
#236 Posted : Monday, January 30, 2017 6:22:05 AM
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Anyone who believes that targeting a particular community wholesale because that community is the source of their problems also believes that the Kikuyus in Rift Valley deserved to be killed in the past clashes.

These are the same arguments that were advanced

1. The kikuyus stole their jobs/land
2. The Kikuyus did not assimilate properly
3. Everyone should go back to their homes


There is no difference between the two scenarios.

Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?

muganda
#237 Posted : Monday, January 30, 2017 8:24:09 AM
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Mo Farah lives in America?

Tokyo
#238 Posted : Monday, January 30, 2017 8:30:45 AM
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alma1 wrote:
Anyone who believes that targeting a particular community wholesale because that community is the source of their problems also believes that the Kikuyus in Rift Valley deserved to be killed in the past clashes.

These are the same arguments that were advanced

1. The kikuyus stole their jobs/land
2. The Kikuyus did not assimilate properly
3. Everyone should go back to their homes


There is no difference between the two scenarios.


A big difference between the two.
A Kikuyu or any other Kenyan are within their constitutional rights to visit, settle ,own and live anywhere within the lboundaries of Kenya as legal citizen. They don't need any Visa. Trump executive order is to foreigners outside USA from few selected countries well known for exporting terrorism. They need a visa.
work to prosper
tycho
#239 Posted : Monday, January 30, 2017 8:36:39 AM
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Tokyo wrote:
alma1 wrote:
Anyone who believes that targeting a particular community wholesale because that community is the source of their problems also believes that the Kikuyus in Rift Valley deserved to be killed in the past clashes.

These are the same arguments that were advanced

1. The kikuyus stole their jobs/land
2. The Kikuyus did not assimilate properly
3. Everyone should go back to their homes


There is no difference between the two scenarios.


A big difference between the two.
A Kikuyu or any other Kenyan are within their constitutional rights to visit, settle ,own and live anywhere within the lboundaries of Kenya as legal citizen. They don't need any Visa. Trump executive order is to foreigners outside USA from few selected countries well known for exporting terrorism. They need a visa.


It's amazing that so many of us are being fooled by Trump and the terrorist rhetoric. But I guess that's our lot as 'mass men'.
alma1
#240 Posted : Monday, January 30, 2017 8:52:18 AM
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tycho wrote:
Tokyo wrote:
alma1 wrote:
Anyone who believes that targeting a particular community wholesale because that community is the source of their problems also believes that the Kikuyus in Rift Valley deserved to be killed in the past clashes.

These are the same arguments that were advanced

1. The kikuyus stole their jobs/land
2. The Kikuyus did not assimilate properly
3. Everyone should go back to their homes


There is no difference between the two scenarios.


A big difference between the two.
A Kikuyu or any other Kenyan are within their constitutional rights to visit, settle ,own and live anywhere within the lboundaries of Kenya as legal citizen. They don't need any Visa. Trump executive order is to foreigners outside USA from few selected countries well known for exporting terrorism. They need a visa.


It's amazing that so many of us are being fooled by Trump and the terrorist rhetoric. But I guess that's our lot as 'mass men'.



Having just read Tokyo's excuse for religious, tribal and national intollerance I guess, I'm in the monority.

To my friends. I don't judge people because of their tribe, religion or visa status..I believe your character is good enough for me.

But it seems there are some "christians" who believe there shall be a visa in heaven...

Let me exit from this post as I ponder.

I always wondered how wars were started and I'm afraid I'm just about to experience the beginning of the worst. Where man can give justification with "facts" on how hating another man, is THE GODLY THING TO DO.

Humbaglar now I understand you..

Peace and adios.
Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?

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