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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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muganda wrote:AlphDoti wrote:1. US created al-Qaeda
2. US trained and armed al-Qaeda
3. US used them to fight USSR
4. US tried to clean-up the mess (for those who know what happened in Ouko case and all those involved were all killed to cover up evidence)
5. Al-qaeda with all the intellgence and knwldge of how US operates became difficult to track down
6. US invented new meaning of terrorism and named their own created group terror group
7. It became a class between US and Al-Qaeda, each hunting down the other
8. Al-qaeda targeted US embassies, remember Nairobi and Tz bombing
9. Kenyans were caught in the process. Even my own family was affected, check one thread above.
So x caused y, to carried out z.
@nandwa and @muganda how then do you exempt x from responsibility?
Do you think the arms given to them by US was aid to be given to starving children?
Don't you know weapons are for killing?
Do you what al-qaeda did in the middle-East while working for US was drinking porridge with the guns?
Don't you know the weapons were being used to kill people?
The same way they are now supplying weapons to Israel?
@AlphDoti no issue if in good faith, we applied the same uniform standard... • Muhammad created Islam, the religion • Quran contains at least 109 verses that call Muslims to war with nonbelievers for the sake of Islamic rule • History of caliphates shows Muhammad deliberately used Islam as a tool for violent conquests and spread of political capital • In all recent slaughter of innocent in Kenya for political reasons, aggressors are Muslim and often target other faiths So I concede, if USA is responsible for AlQaeda, then Muhammad would be the father of modern terrorism. Do you think a life lived in violence would yield peace just by naming it Islam? Would Kenya have had the embassy bombings or other terrorist attacks if Islam had not existed? Now you're doing a quick digression into Islam? Again to discuss same, same old misconception? Where were you when we extensively discussed the misconception? Be specific if you want to discuss anything. Otherwise, let us discuss the people who planned, created, financed, armed, trained, a group which eventually killed Kenyans in 1998.
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ecstacy wrote:Al Jazeera: What can we expect from Hamas in the next few days with regard to a possible ceasefire or truce?
Hamdan: If there is a ceasefire, which gives the Palestinian people their demands, we will accept that. If there is not, we are ready to defend our people until we achieve what we are asking for."
One has got to ask.. HOW are THEY defending their people?? All we are seeing is the civilian death toll going up. It has reached a point where death is a better option than living like animals under Israelis! I don't hear any of the dying Palestinians condemning Hamas... Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
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Bwana @AlphDoti, I am incapable of making you see otherwise as this is not a rational argument. But I'll try the last time... AlphDoti wrote:Now you're doing a quick digression into Islam? Again to discuss same, same old misconception? Where were you when we extensively discussed the misconception?
Be specific if you want to discuss anything.
Otherwise, let us discuss the people who planned, created, financed, armed, trained, a group which eventually killed Kenyans in 1998. @AlphDoti specifics:Mohamed al Owhali confessed to his role in the bombing. He was born in 1977 in Saudi Arabia, attending an AlQaeda training camp from the age of 18. At the age of 21, he felt compelled to kill over 200 strangers wounding over 4,000 others. A. Was it because when he was only 9 years old, US government had supplied Stinger missiles to Mujahideen? Support which was rendered together with UK, Pakistan, and his home country of Saudi Arabia anyway? Get seriousB. Was it because of US capitalism at the expense of poor nations? A young man born into a wealth Saudi family? Get seriousC. Was it because the Western world or Kenya had turned against Islam and he was a warrior? This young man who also had British nationality and evidence shows only hurled a grenade then fled from the scene? Get seriousThe naked truth, in terms of responsibility:1. Himself - no Kenyan or Tanzanian had wronged him 2. EIJ - his handlers, Egypt Islamic Jihad, whose primary motive was overthrow of Egyptian Government and first bombed an embassy in Egypt 3 years before Kenya. 3. Radical Islam - tool of his indocrination, because insanity is the potion that drives murder at a grand scale. Which he's reported to have dutily imbibed by 14. 4. Al Qaeda - former freedom fighters in search for a cause armed him, used him; in a malevolent bid that used innocent Kenyan lives as a marketing campaign If he was sane, he would know better If he avoided crazed militants, he would do better If he did not learn radical Islam, he would fear innocent lives Where is the US in all this? You would rather talk of the US before mentioning Islam!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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muganda wrote:Bwana @AlphDoti, I am incapable of making you see otherwise as this is not a rational argument. But I'll try the last time... AlphDoti wrote:Now you're doing a quick digression into Islam? Again to discuss same, same old misconception? Where were you when we extensively discussed the misconception?
Be specific if you want to discuss anything.
Otherwise, let us discuss the people who planned, created, financed, armed, trained, a group which eventually killed Kenyans in 1998. @AlphDoti specifics:Mohamed al Owhali confessed to his role in the bombing. He was born in 1977 in Saudi Arabia, attending an AlQaeda training camp from the age of 18. At the age of 21, he felt compelled to kill over 200 strangers wounding over 4,000 others. We also have confession from Hilary Clinton to their role in creating and training and arming and financing the group that the boy belonged. ' The people we were fighting today, we funded 20 years ago...' Hilary Clinton.
muganda wrote:A. Was it because when he was only 9 years old, US government had supplied Stinger missiles to Mujahideen? Support which was rendered together with UK, Pakistan, and his home country of Saudi Arabia anyway? Get serious US supplied the weapons and missiles way before this lad was born. It does not matter home country. Al Qaeda and Taliban were recruited from middle East. BY US GOVT, IF YOU"RE FORGETTING.
muganda wrote:B. Was it because of US capitalism at the expense of poor nations? A young man born into a wealth Saudi family? Get serious Are you saying children of rich men don't get into bad things? Drugs, hijacking, robbing, killing (example Mercy keino case)
muganda wrote:C. Was it because the Western world or Kenya had turned against Islam and he was a warrior? This young man who also had British nationality and evidence shows only hurled a grenade then fled from the scene? Get serious It is not about religion my friend. After using these people, US tried to eliminate them (what is called cleaning up the mess, and I gave Ouko case, where all those involved were all killed to cover up evidence). But Al-qaeda with all the intelligence and knowldge of how US operates became difficult to track down. US invented new meaning of terrorism and named their own created group terror group, and said these are Muslims, and took these people as examplary Muslims, and using their media maligned the name of Islam. So it became a clash between US and Al-Qaeda/Taliban, each one hunting down the other, where Al-qaeda targeted US embassies, example Nairobi and Tz bombing. So it was not about religion, it was about doing what US is best in doing. Unfortunately, Kenyans were caught in the process, including my own family who are Muslims (I mentioned this in one thread above).
muganda wrote:The naked truth, in terms of responsibility:
1. Himself - no Kenyan or Tanzanian had wronged him
2. EIJ - his handlers, Egypt Islamic Jihad, whose primary motive was overthrow of Egyptian Government and first bombed an embassy in Egypt 3 years before Kenya.
3. Radical Islam - tool of his indocrination, because insanity is the potion that drives murder at a grand scale. Which he's reported to have dutily imbibed by 14.
4. Al Qaeda - former freedom fighters in search for a cause armed him, used him; in a malevolent bid that used innocent Kenyan lives as a marketing campaign So to me: - Those who carried out the act are guilty (Al Qaeda and Taliban members) - Those who created this group, setup training camps, trained them, supplied them with weapons and missiles, etc are alro guilty (and you have confession from Hilary Clinton)
muganda wrote:If he was sane, he would know better
If he avoided crazed militants, he would do better
If he did not learn radical Islam, he would fear innocent lives
Where is the US in all this? You would rather talk of the US before mentioning Islam! Islam condemns killing of innocent lives. Here is a case of US creating a group. They use this group to kill people. They are told to say some things as they carry out these acts. That does not make them Muslims. Because Muslims adhere to certain principles. If you don't follow those principles, then these people stopped being Muslims that moment. Just like I will not call a murderer called John a Christian murderer, because he's not following Christianity. He's simply a criminal.
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guru267 wrote:ecstacy wrote:Al Jazeera: What can we expect from Hamas in the next few days with regard to a possible ceasefire or truce?
Hamdan: If there is a ceasefire, which gives the Palestinian people their demands, we will accept that. If there is not, we are ready to defend our people until we achieve what we are asking for."
One has got to ask.. HOW are THEY defending their people?? All we are seeing is the civilian death toll going up. It has reached a point where death is a better option than living like animals under Israelis! I don't hear any of the dying Palestinians condemning Hamas... How do you expect to hear the dying?.....Anyway I saw one lady whose house was bombed saying that 'All arabs are cursed' for causing them such suffering.
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 Shina surely! Wizi imezidi.. the West will need an Iron Dome to life, online & offline.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi
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All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Special dedication to @guru267, @Alphadoti ,all you tribalists & religion fanatics propagating hate. "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/21/2010 Posts: 6,675 Location: Nairobi
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Caveman wrote:guru267 wrote:ecstacy wrote:Al Jazeera: What can we expect from Hamas in the next few days with regard to a possible ceasefire or truce?
Hamdan: If there is a ceasefire, which gives the Palestinian people their demands, we will accept that. If there is not, we are ready to defend our people until we achieve what we are asking for."
One has got to ask.. HOW are THEY defending their people?? All we are seeing is the civilian death toll going up. It has reached a point where death is a better option than living like animals under Israelis! I don't hear any of the dying Palestinians condemning Hamas... How do you expect to hear the dying?.....Anyway I saw one lady whose house was bombed saying that 'All arabs are cursed' for causing them such suffering. Death is a really tiny price to pay for Independence! Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
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