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Rank: Member Joined: 7/17/2011 Posts: 627 Location: Mbui-Nzau, Kikumbulyu
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limanika wrote:He should go, this could be the ultimate test b4 the case is dropped. This is only status conference not trial! Okey ..so the court is about giving ultimate tests and not justice?...it will not survive past these cases if its all about egos...especially those of the judges and the prosecutor.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/22/2009 Posts: 2,449 Location: Africa
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They should allow him to use videolink. Unless they're just trying to flex some muscle
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Rank: Member Joined: 2/16/2012 Posts: 808
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What I find amusing  is when Kenyan polititians speak to Bensouda in Swahili. They tried to bury us, they didn't know we were seeds.
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/4/2013 Posts: 255
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wanyee wrote:limanika wrote:He should go, this could be the ultimate test b4 the case is dropped. This is only status conference not trial! Okey ..so the court is about giving ultimate tests and not justice?...it will not survive past these cases if its all about egos...especially those of the judges and the prosecutor. These cases have done a lot of damage to the court's image and credibility.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 1,982 Location: matano manne
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This is turning out to be like the referendum brinkmanship between Babu, Governors and the Chubilee garment.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/17/2009 Posts: 1,049
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I found the comments by one of the Nation bloggers @mzeiya88 to be rather curious! Just as absolute power corrupts leaders, so does absolute fanaticism blind the people from logic
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Rank: User Joined: 8/15/2013 Posts: 13,237 Location: Vacuum
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Nandwa wrote:I found the comments by one of the Nation bloggers @mzeiya88 to be rather curious! And we have all along been blaming Baba If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,330 Location: Masada
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Rahatupu wrote:This is turning out to be like the referendum brinkmanship between Babu, Governors and the Chubilee garment. I think we should in the referendum, "uhuru to go to the hague or not" and we will vote NO! Sasa @Uhunye should support this call for plebiscite. Portfolio: Sold You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/17/2009 Posts: 1,049
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Uhuru Kenyatta 'can request' to attend ICC via video-linkQuote:The ICC on Monday said Mr Kenyatta is expected to attend the conference in the Netherlands as a matter of principle unless his lawyers appeal for an alternative means. Just as absolute power corrupts leaders, so does absolute fanaticism blind the people from logic
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/10/2008 Posts: 9,131 Location: Kanjo
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haka ka-koti bandia kako in panic mode. it must protect it's integrity. I hope the Prezzo man's up, puts ego aside (i doubt he has any) and attends. i.am.back!!!!
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Shak wrote:They should allow him to use videolink. Unless they're just trying to flex some muscle Kitendawili said that cannot work.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/17/2009 Posts: 1,049
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harrydre wrote:haka ka-koti bandia kako in panic mode. it must protect it's integrity. I hope the Prezzo man's up, p uts ego aside (i doubt he has any) and attends. Disrespecting Pork! Hope not. Just as absolute power corrupts leaders, so does absolute fanaticism blind the people from logic
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Rank: Member Joined: 7/17/2011 Posts: 627 Location: Mbui-Nzau, Kikumbulyu
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As for Gaitho ..it is well known which side of his bread toast is buttered and jammed from....so he tends to wear googles...he is part of the "Pentagon Axis"
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Rank: Chief Joined: 5/9/2007 Posts: 13,095
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wanyee wrote:As for Gaitho ..it is well known which side of his bread toast is buttered and jammed from....so he tends to wear googles...he is part of the "Pentagon Axis" Really? I find him very sober in his arguments. Maybe its me.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/21/2011 Posts: 2,032
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I only find 1 reason why judges want pork to attend---whether physically or by video link is immaterial. Basically, the same old scenario will play out at the court room. OTP will say GOK has not supplied info w.r.t property, finances & telephone records and cannot move forward with the case. GOK will say they have submitted all the documents they could reasonably manage to. As usual, on property and telephone records, GOK will maintain that OTP should provide LR numbers and telephone numbers and company reg no. etc to facilitate search. The Defense will say they have no input into the process. At conclusion or when making determination a few days later, the lead judge will say….”This matter has reached a stalemate. The chamber cannot proceed to make determination, unless the said records are submitted as requested by OTP. However, the accused is/was present with us in courtroom. He now fully understands what documents the OTP requires, and has seen the stalemate that we have reached in respect of the same. The chamber is convinced that the accused knows the extent of his land ownership, that of his associates, including companies and telephone records. In order to move forward, the chamber directs the accused, who is/was present in court, to make arrangements and present any copies of the required records in his possession to OTP. The chamber also herewith directs the OTP to list down the missing documents and send them to defense council of the accused.”
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/19/2011 Posts: 1,694
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limanika wrote:I only find 1 reason why judges want pork to attend---whether physically or by video link is immaterial. Basically, the same old scenario will play out at the court room. OTP will say GOK has not supplied info w.r.t property, finances & telephone records and cannot move forward with the case. GOK will say they have submitted all the documents they could reasonably manage to. As usual, on property and telephone records, GOK will maintain that OTP should provide LR numbers and telephone numbers and company reg no. etc to facilitate search. The Defense will say they have no input into the process. At conclusion or when making determination a few days later, the lead judge will say….”This matter has reached a stalemate. The chamber cannot proceed to make determination, unless the said records are submitted as requested by OTP. However, the accused is/was present with us in courtroom. He now fully understands what documents the OTP requires, and has seen the stalemate that we have reached in respect of the same. The chamber is convinced that the accused knows the extent of his land ownership, that of his associates, including companies and telephone records. In order to move forward, the chamber directs the accused, who is/was present in court, to make arrangements and present any copies of the required records in his possession to OTP. The chamber also herewith directs the OTP to list down the missing documents and send them to defense council of the accused.”
But surely which justice system in the world gives the onus to the accused to provide evidence against themselves. So if the charges were confirmed under the guise that they have a watertight case, how do we go back to evidence collection and investigation when the trial is half way through? “People will believe a big lie sooner than a little one, and if you repeat it frequently enough, people will sooner or later believe it.” ― Walter C. Langer
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/10/2008 Posts: 9,131 Location: Kanjo
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Kratos wrote:limanika wrote:I only find 1 reason why judges want pork to attend---whether physically or by video link is immaterial. Basically, the same old scenario will play out at the court room. OTP will say GOK has not supplied info w.r.t property, finances & telephone records and cannot move forward with the case. GOK will say they have submitted all the documents they could reasonably manage to. As usual, on property and telephone records, GOK will maintain that OTP should provide LR numbers and telephone numbers and company reg no. etc to facilitate search. The Defense will say they have no input into the process. At conclusion or when making determination a few days later, the lead judge will say….”This matter has reached a stalemate. The chamber cannot proceed to make determination, unless the said records are submitted as requested by OTP. However, the accused is/was present with us in courtroom. He now fully understands what documents the OTP requires, and has seen the stalemate that we have reached in respect of the same. The chamber is convinced that the accused knows the extent of his land ownership, that of his associates, including companies and telephone records. In order to move forward, the chamber directs the accused, who is/was present in court, to make arrangements and present any copies of the required records in his possession to OTP. The chamber also herewith directs the OTP to list down the missing documents and send them to defense council of the accused.”
But surely which justice system in the world gives the onus to the accused to provide evidence against themselves. So if the charges were confirmed under the guise that they have a watertight case, how do we go back to evidence collection and investigation when the trial is half way through? there was no case bwana...all politics. That piece of providing evidence against yourself is indeed hilarious. It's an easy one for any lawyer to argue in court... i.am.back!!!!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/10/2008 Posts: 9,131 Location: Kanjo
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 4/1/2009 Posts: 1,884
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washiku wrote:wanyee wrote:As for Gaitho ..it is well known which side of his bread toast is buttered and jammed from....so he tends to wear googles...he is part of the "Pentagon Axis" Really? I find him very sober in his arguments. Maybe its me. you don't get it? that is wanyee's coloured googles talking.
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