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nzalela wrote:Impunity wrote:maka wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:So now KQ600 is KQ80 http://www.businessdaily.../-/uhots4z/-/index.html
The workers union representing a majority of Kenya Airways employees has said it does not anticipate further retrenchments at the national carrier following Friday’s sacking of 80 staff. The Kenya Aviation Workers Union, whose membership comprises about 2,500 KQ staffers, says the airline’s management has agreed to limit the number of sacked employees significantly below the initial estimate of 600.   I said 300 earlier...  so many guys have resigned many more poached by Emirates...currently the important departments like ground services are understaffed if they sack 600 people it will be chaos galore.Plus no pilot is being retrenched so... BLUNDER GALORE...Teh Union has now held someone by the balls! Vert dirty game, @maka if you know what I think. No one is holding the other by the balls it is a BIG problem that is facing the aviation industry. Fight for skilled experienced labour. The Gulf carriers are growing so fast and are sucking up Kenyan talent in the process a fact KQ underestimated for a very long time despite numerous warnings. KQ is now stable from a cashflow perspective but the threat from the exits is REAL and may ground some aircrafts moving forward if nothing is done. If you want to see it yourself just open a linked in account and update your CV as a pilot with over 3000 jet hours. You will get an invite for a pilot job interview application within 2 weeks. For technicians it is even worse. It won't be very dire as you anticipate.The working conditions in the Middle East are very pathetic and not everyone will jump ship. Even those who are already there are likely to come back.The workload is just too much. The Indians, Pakistanis and Filipinos employed by the gulf carriers are lazy and Kenyans carry the burden when they go there. The rest periods are just the bare minimum even for cabin and deck crew.The offer always looks good on paper but due to the high cost of living you will end up disappointed.No one among those who are there will tell you this, they always say let everyone come and check it out for himself/herself. In general, the grass is not greener on the other side as many think.This applies to pilots and technicians as well.
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ArrestedDev wrote:nzalela wrote:Impunity wrote:maka wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:So now KQ600 is KQ80 http://www.businessdaily.../-/uhots4z/-/index.html
The workers union representing a majority of Kenya Airways employees has said it does not anticipate further retrenchments at the national carrier following Friday’s sacking of 80 staff. The Kenya Aviation Workers Union, whose membership comprises about 2,500 KQ staffers, says the airline’s management has agreed to limit the number of sacked employees significantly below the initial estimate of 600. I said 300 earlier... so many guys have resigned many more poached by Emirates...currently the important departments like ground services are understaffed if they sack 600 people it will be chaos galore.Plus no pilot is being retrenched so... BLUNDER GALORE...Teh Union has now held someone by the balls! Vert dirty game, @maka if you know what I think. No one is holding the other by the balls it is a BIG problem that is facing the aviation industry. Fight for skilled experienced labour. The Gulf carriers are growing so fast and are sucking up Kenyan talent in the process a fact KQ underestimated for a very long time despite numerous warnings. KQ is now stable from a cashflow perspective but the threat from the exits is REAL and may ground some aircrafts moving forward if nothing is done. If you want to see it yourself just open a linked in account and update your CV as a pilot with over 3000 jet hours. You will get an invite for a pilot job interview application within 2 weeks. For technicians it is even worse. It won't be very dire as you anticipate.The working conditions in the Middle East are very pathetic and not everyone will jump ship. Even those who are already there are likely to come back.The workload is just too much. The Indians, Pakistanis and Filipinos employed by the gulf carriers are lazy and Kenyans carry the burden when they go there. The rest periods are just the bare minimum even for cabin and deck crew.The offer always looks good on paper but due to the high cost of living you will end up disappointed.No one among those who are there will tell you this, they always say let everyone come and check it out for himself/herself. In general, the grass is not greener on the other side as many think.This applies to pilots and technicians as well. Amen
COOP 255,000 ABP 15.85; KQ 544,100 ABP 7.15; MTN 23,800 ABP 5.20
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/20/2015 Posts: 2,811 Location: Mombasa
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obiero wrote:ArrestedDev wrote:nzalela wrote:Impunity wrote:maka wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:So now KQ600 is KQ80 http://www.businessdaily.../-/uhots4z/-/index.html
The workers union representing a majority of Kenya Airways employees has said it does not anticipate further retrenchments at the national carrier following Friday’s sacking of 80 staff. The Kenya Aviation Workers Union, whose membership comprises about 2,500 KQ staffers, says the airline’s management has agreed to limit the number of sacked employees significantly below the initial estimate of 600. I said 300 earlier... so many guys have resigned many more poached by Emirates...currently the important departments like ground services are understaffed if they sack 600 people it will be chaos galore.Plus no pilot is being retrenched so... BLUNDER GALORE...Teh Union has now held someone by the balls! Vert dirty game, @maka if you know what I think. No one is holding the other by the balls it is a BIG problem that is facing the aviation industry. Fight for skilled experienced labour. The Gulf carriers are growing so fast and are sucking up Kenyan talent in the process a fact KQ underestimated for a very long time despite numerous warnings. KQ is now stable from a cashflow perspective but the threat from the exits is REAL and may ground some aircrafts moving forward if nothing is done. If you want to see it yourself just open a linked in account and update your CV as a pilot with over 3000 jet hours. You will get an invite for a pilot job interview application within 2 weeks. For technicians it is even worse. It won't be very dire as you anticipate.The working conditions in the Middle East are very pathetic and not everyone will jump ship. Even those who are already there are likely to come back.The workload is just too much. The Indians, Pakistanis and Filipinos employed by the gulf carriers are lazy and Kenyans carry the burden when they go there. The rest periods are just the bare minimum even for cabin and deck crew.The offer always looks good on paper but due to the high cost of living you will end up disappointed.No one among those who are there will tell you this, they always say let everyone come and check it out for himself/herself. In general, the grass is not greener on the other side as many think.This applies to pilots and technicians as well. Amen I have also agreed 100% for the above analysis. For the first time to agree along with @obiero on KQ thread. It is amazing! John 5:17 But Jesus replied, “My Father is always working, and so am I.”
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi
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maka wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:So now KQ600 is KQ80 http://www.businessdaily.../-/uhots4z/-/index.html
The workers union representing a majority of Kenya Airways employees has said it does not anticipate further retrenchments at the national carrier following Friday’s sacking of 80 staff. The Kenya Aviation Workers Union, whose membership comprises about 2,500 KQ staffers, says the airline’s management has agreed to limit the number of sacked employees significantly below the initial estimate of 600. I said 300 earlier... so many guys have resigned many more poached by Emirates...currently the important departments like ground services are understaffed if they sack 600 people it will be chaos galore.Plus no pilot is being retrenched so... Sad state of affairs...another 50 from inflight sent home. possunt quia posse videntur
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,712 Location: nairobi
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maka wrote:maka wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:So now KQ600 is KQ80 http://www.businessdaily.../-/uhots4z/-/index.html
The workers union representing a majority of Kenya Airways employees has said it does not anticipate further retrenchments at the national carrier following Friday’s sacking of 80 staff. The Kenya Aviation Workers Union, whose membership comprises about 2,500 KQ staffers, says the airline’s management has agreed to limit the number of sacked employees significantly below the initial estimate of 600. I said 300 earlier... so many guys have resigned many more poached by Emirates...currently the important departments like ground services are understaffed if they sack 600 people it will be chaos galore.Plus no pilot is being retrenched so... Sad state of affairs...another 50 from inflight sent home. Ngunze looks slender and meek but he has the heart of a lion
COOP 255,000 ABP 15.85; KQ 544,100 ABP 7.15; MTN 23,800 ABP 5.20
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/29/2016 Posts: 898 Location: Nairobi
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maka wrote:maka wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:So now KQ600 is KQ80 http://www.businessdaily.../-/uhots4z/-/index.html
The workers union representing a majority of Kenya Airways employees has said it does not anticipate further retrenchments at the national carrier following Friday’s sacking of 80 staff. The Kenya Aviation Workers Union, whose membership comprises about 2,500 KQ staffers, says the airline’s management has agreed to limit the number of sacked employees significantly below the initial estimate of 600. I said 300 earlier... so many guys have resigned many more poached by Emirates...currently the important departments like ground services are understaffed if they sack 600 people it will be chaos galore.Plus no pilot is being retrenched so... Sad state of affairs...another 50 from inflight sent home. @maka, Do you know if the managers responsible for fuel procurement inefficiencies were among the first batch of 80?
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I always read Engineering staff are poached by Emirates but i never see KQ advertise for Engineers. I always check their website but nothing. My question is, How do KQ recruit Engineers. Kindly any one with information let me know. I would really really love to work for the Airline industry.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/21/2010 Posts: 6,191 Location: nairobi
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VituVingiSana wrote:So now KQ600 is KQ80 http://www.businessdaily.../-/uhots4z/-/index.html
The workers union representing a majority of Kenya Airways employees has said it does not anticipate further retrenchments at the national carrier following Friday’s sacking of 80 staff. The Kenya Aviation Workers Union, whose membership comprises about 2,500 KQ staffers, says the airline’s management has agreed to limit the number of sacked employees significantly below the initial estimate of 600. they are re trenching using a loan so i think they cant afford to pay the sendoff to the number they want "Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
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Rank: User Joined: 8/15/2013 Posts: 13,237 Location: Vacuum
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kaimbaga2012 wrote:I always read Engineering staff are poached by Emirates but i never see KQ advertise for Engineers. I always check their website but nothing. My question is, How do KQ recruit Engineers. Kindly any one with information let me know. I would really really love to work for the Airline industry. You do not have to work for KQ, Impunity is our resident
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welder If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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Rank: User Joined: 8/15/2013 Posts: 13,237 Location: Vacuum
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Why are people commenting on this thread if they dont have the 24 point turnaround strategy?? You are all clueless!!!!...... what if the 17th point is to liquidate KQ If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi
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ArrestedDev wrote:maka wrote:maka wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:So now KQ600 is KQ80 http://www.businessdaily.../-/uhots4z/-/index.html
The workers union representing a majority of Kenya Airways employees has said it does not anticipate further retrenchments at the national carrier following Friday’s sacking of 80 staff. The Kenya Aviation Workers Union, whose membership comprises about 2,500 KQ staffers, says the airline’s management has agreed to limit the number of sacked employees significantly below the initial estimate of 600. I said 300 earlier... so many guys have resigned many more poached by Emirates...currently the important departments like ground services are understaffed if they sack 600 people it will be chaos galore.Plus no pilot is being retrenched so... Sad state of affairs...another 50 from inflight sent home. @maka, Do you know if the managers responsible for fuel procurement inefficiencies were among the first batch of 80? They are going departmental wise exercise will end on Thursday so will get to know from finance who went...kesho ground services. possunt quia posse videntur
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,712 Location: nairobi
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Swenani wrote:Why are people commenting on this thread if they dont have the 24 point turnaround strategy??
You are all clueless!!!!...... what if the 17th point is to liquidate KQ Lol
COOP 255,000 ABP 15.85; KQ 544,100 ABP 7.15; MTN 23,800 ABP 5.20
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/29/2016 Posts: 898 Location: Nairobi
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maka wrote:ArrestedDev wrote:maka wrote:maka wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:So now KQ600 is KQ80 http://www.businessdaily.../-/uhots4z/-/index.html
The workers union representing a majority of Kenya Airways employees has said it does not anticipate further retrenchments at the national carrier following Friday’s sacking of 80 staff. The Kenya Aviation Workers Union, whose membership comprises about 2,500 KQ staffers, says the airline’s management has agreed to limit the number of sacked employees significantly below the initial estimate of 600. I said 300 earlier... so many guys have resigned many more poached by Emirates...currently the important departments like ground services are understaffed if they sack 600 people it will be chaos galore.Plus no pilot is being retrenched so... Sad state of affairs...another 50 from inflight sent home. @maka, Do you know if the managers responsible for fuel procurement inefficiencies were among the first batch of 80? They are going departmental wise exercise will end on Thursday so will get to know from finance who went...kesho ground services. Keep the numbers flowing. It may not be a big number since sinking 10 billion from a loan in a retrenchment exercise is counterproductive in the long run as this guy from Ernest & Young puts it.
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/29/2016 Posts: 898 Location: Nairobi
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mlennyma wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:So now KQ600 is KQ80 http://www.businessdaily.../-/uhots4z/-/index.html
The workers union representing a majority of Kenya Airways employees has said it does not anticipate further retrenchments at the national carrier following Friday’s sacking of 80 staff. The Kenya Aviation Workers Union, whose membership comprises about 2,500 KQ staffers, says the airline’s management has agreed to limit the number of sacked employees significantly below the initial estimate of 600. they are re trenching using a loan so i think they cant afford to pay the sendoff to the number they want Yeah, that's the issue at hand. The management needs to weigh all options very well as it will be expensive in the long run even if the loan is guaranteed by the treasury. They should consider the fact that the Company is already indebted.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,712 Location: nairobi
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ArrestedDev wrote:mlennyma wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:So now KQ600 is KQ80 http://www.businessdaily.../-/uhots4z/-/index.html
The workers union representing a majority of Kenya Airways employees has said it does not anticipate further retrenchments at the national carrier following Friday’s sacking of 80 staff. The Kenya Aviation Workers Union, whose membership comprises about 2,500 KQ staffers, says the airline’s management has agreed to limit the number of sacked employees significantly below the initial estimate of 600. they are re trenching using a loan so i think they cant afford to pay the sendoff to the number they want Yeah, that's the issue at hand. The management needs to weigh all options very well as it will be expensive in the long run even if the loan is guaranteed by the treasury. They should consider the fact that the Company is already indebted. Debt shall be reduced monthly but staff costs always rise, daily.. They use assets daily. Let us bite the one off costs
COOP 255,000 ABP 15.85; KQ 544,100 ABP 7.15; MTN 23,800 ABP 5.20
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/21/2010 Posts: 6,191 Location: nairobi
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obiero wrote:Tomorrow's price is likely to be the final time in recent memory that we shall reach KES 4.60. It is official, the plane is ready for take off is this dream valid?how many more imaginary takeoffs before the true one? "Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,712 Location: nairobi
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mlennyma wrote:obiero wrote:Tomorrow's price is likely to be the final time in recent memory that we shall reach KES 4.60. It is official, the plane is ready for take off is this dream valid?how many more imaginary takeoffs before the true one? Satan's power, powerless power. Dark forces tryin to push us down. We await the results on 28.07.16
COOP 255,000 ABP 15.85; KQ 544,100 ABP 7.15; MTN 23,800 ABP 5.20
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/29/2016 Posts: 898 Location: Nairobi
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obiero wrote:ArrestedDev wrote:mlennyma wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:So now KQ600 is KQ80 http://www.businessdaily.../-/uhots4z/-/index.html
The workers union representing a majority of Kenya Airways employees has said it does not anticipate further retrenchments at the national carrier following Friday’s sacking of 80 staff. The Kenya Aviation Workers Union, whose membership comprises about 2,500 KQ staffers, says the airline’s management has agreed to limit the number of sacked employees significantly below the initial estimate of 600. they are re trenching using a loan so i think they cant afford to pay the sendoff to the number they want Yeah, that's the issue at hand. The management needs to weigh all options very well as it will be expensive in the long run even if the loan is guaranteed by the treasury. They should consider the fact that the Company is already indebted. Debt shall be reduced monthly but staff costs always rise, daily.. They use assets daily. Let us bite the one off costs They will still need to hire in the near future when the business environment improves.It is evident the tourism industry is picking up. The retrenchment in 2012 led to new hires. The initial investment going to this exercise is very high and recouping it will take a while even if the manpower costs now are reduced. The interest element/ finance cost is the killer. It adds a burden to the existing finance costs.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,712 Location: nairobi
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ArrestedDev wrote:obiero wrote:ArrestedDev wrote:mlennyma wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:So now KQ600 is KQ80 http://www.businessdaily.../-/uhots4z/-/index.html
The workers union representing a majority of Kenya Airways employees has said it does not anticipate further retrenchments at the national carrier following Friday’s sacking of 80 staff. The Kenya Aviation Workers Union, whose membership comprises about 2,500 KQ staffers, says the airline’s management has agreed to limit the number of sacked employees significantly below the initial estimate of 600. they are re trenching using a loan so i think they cant afford to pay the sendoff to the number they want Yeah, that's the issue at hand. The management needs to weigh all options very well as it will be expensive in the long run even if the loan is guaranteed by the treasury. They should consider the fact that the Company is already indebted. Debt shall be reduced monthly but staff costs always rise, daily.. They use assets daily. Let us bite the one off costs They will still need to hire in the near future when the business environment improves.It is evident the tourism industry is picking up. The retrenchment in 2012 led to new hires. The initial investment going to this exercise is very high and recouping it will take a while even if the manpower costs now are reduced. The interest element/ finance cost is the killer. It adds a burden to the existing finance costs. Please recheck your information. The previous right sizing was reversed by our courts
COOP 255,000 ABP 15.85; KQ 544,100 ABP 7.15; MTN 23,800 ABP 5.20
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/29/2016 Posts: 898 Location: Nairobi
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obiero wrote:ArrestedDev wrote:obiero wrote:ArrestedDev wrote:mlennyma wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:So now KQ600 is KQ80 http://www.businessdaily.../-/uhots4z/-/index.html
The workers union representing a majority of Kenya Airways employees has said it does not anticipate further retrenchments at the national carrier following Friday’s sacking of 80 staff. The Kenya Aviation Workers Union, whose membership comprises about 2,500 KQ staffers, says the airline’s management has agreed to limit the number of sacked employees significantly below the initial estimate of 600. they are re trenching using a loan so i think they cant afford to pay the sendoff to the number they want Yeah, that's the issue at hand. The management needs to weigh all options very well as it will be expensive in the long run even if the loan is guaranteed by the treasury. They should consider the fact that the Company is already indebted. Debt shall be reduced monthly but staff costs always rise, daily.. They use assets daily. Let us bite the one off costs They will still need to hire in the near future when the business environment improves.It is evident the tourism industry is picking up. The retrenchment in 2012 led to new hires. The initial investment going to this exercise is very high and recouping it will take a while even if the manpower costs now are reduced. The interest element/ finance cost is the killer. It adds a burden to the existing finance costs. Please recheck your information. The previous right sizing was reversed by our courts Nope. Staff were not reinstated. Non-Kenyans were hired especially cabin crew. Let @maka or anyone with insider information to confirm. The below article done during the senate hearings on KQ lays the facts. 447 out and 517 in. https://asokoinsight.com...447-kenya-airways-staff
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