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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,190 Location: Nairobi
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obiero wrote:Ebenyo wrote:Ericsson wrote:Ni kubaya ukiskia kampuni inapostpone release of results with impunity Its good news that will be forthcoming anyway.Results will be kshs 11.5 billion loss.That will be 50 % improvement from last year kshs 25 billion loss.Good news ama hapana? Na hii thread ya KQ si imekuwa mzito sana? Admin si apunguze ama tuanzishe ingine? We wait with baited breath Yes, a certain charity/NGO is waiting for 100k.  Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,713 Location: nairobi
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VituVingiSana wrote:obiero wrote:Ebenyo wrote:Ericsson wrote:Ni kubaya ukiskia kampuni inapostpone release of results with impunity Its good news that will be forthcoming anyway.Results will be kshs 11.5 billion loss.That will be 50 % improvement from last year kshs 25 billion loss.Good news ama hapana? Na hii thread ya KQ si imekuwa mzito sana? Admin si apunguze ama tuanzishe ingine? We wait with baited breath Yes, a certain charity/NGO is waiting for 100k. Alhamdulilhah
COOP 255,000 ABP 15.85; KQ 544,100 ABP 7.15; MTN 23,800 ABP 5.20
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/25/2014 Posts: 2,301 Location: kenya
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obiero wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:obiero wrote:Ebenyo wrote:Ericsson wrote:Ni kubaya ukiskia kampuni inapostpone release of results with impunity Its good news that will be forthcoming anyway.Results will be kshs 11.5 billion loss.That will be 50 % improvement from last year kshs 25 billion loss.Good news ama hapana? Na hii thread ya KQ si imekuwa mzito sana? Admin si apunguze ama tuanzishe ingine? We wait with baited breath Yes, a certain charity/NGO is waiting for 100k. Alhamdulilhah Is this about the gamble or bet that you guys did and was being witnessed and officiated by sparkly ? I see people being enemies for life for broken promises 
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,190 Location: Nairobi
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enyands wrote:obiero wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:obiero wrote:Ebenyo wrote:Ericsson wrote:Ni kubaya ukiskia kampuni inapostpone release of results with impunity Its good news that will be forthcoming anyway.Results will be kshs 11.5 billion loss.That will be 50 % improvement from last year kshs 25 billion loss.Good news ama hapana? Na hii thread ya KQ si imekuwa mzito sana? Admin si apunguze ama tuanzishe ingine? We wait with baited breath Yes, a certain charity/NGO is waiting for 100k. Alhamdulilhah Is this about the gamble or bet that you guys did and was being witnessed and officiated by sparkly ? I see people being enemies for life for broken promises If I lose, I will happily provide the 100k. Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/25/2014 Posts: 2,301 Location: kenya
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VituVingiSana wrote:enyands wrote:obiero wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:obiero wrote:Ebenyo wrote:Ericsson wrote:Ni kubaya ukiskia kampuni inapostpone release of results with impunity Its good news that will be forthcoming anyway.Results will be kshs 11.5 billion loss.That will be 50 % improvement from last year kshs 25 billion loss.Good news ama hapana? Na hii thread ya KQ si imekuwa mzito sana? Admin si apunguze ama tuanzishe ingine? We wait with baited breath Yes, a certain charity/NGO is waiting for 100k. Alhamdulilhah Is this about the gamble or bet that you guys did and was being witnessed and officiated by sparkly ? I see people being enemies for life for broken promises If I lose, I will happily provide the 100k. Time is our witness
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/29/2016 Posts: 898 Location: Nairobi
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The intrigues are still there. Fresh thinking is needed. Ngunze should hang the boots up. Quote:Another problem is snowballing. The airline replaced its B777s with the smaller but more fuel efficient 787-8 Dreamliner for its long haul routes. This week a source at the airline told us: “The Boeing 787-8 fleet is stretched to the limits with hardly any time left for servicing the aircraft. Frequent breakdowns have resulted in delays, cancellations and huge hotel bills, as passengers are accommodated after cancellations”. Read between the lines in the below article. Ignore Mbugua's assertions. http://www.nation.co.ke/...8/-/132f52s/-/index.html
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,190 Location: Nairobi
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What's happening in KQ's executive offices... http://www.toonpool.com/...iles/cooking_1165045.jpgGreedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,713 Location: nairobi
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[quote=ArrestedDev]The intrigues are still there. Fresh thinking is needed. Ngunze should hang the boots up. Quote:Another problem is snowballing. The airline replaced its B777s with the smaller but more fuel efficient 787-8 Dreamliner for its long haul routes. This week a source at the airline told us: “The Boeing 787-8 fleet is stretched to the limits with hardly any time left for servicing the aircraft. Frequent breakdowns have resulted in delays, cancellations and huge hotel bills, as passengers are accommodated after cancellations”. Read in between the lines in the below articles. Ignore Mbugua's assertions. http://www.nation.co.ke/.../-/132f52s/-/index.html[/quote] A report founded on emotions of Alex Mbugua a former jilted employee.. Kenya is weird
COOP 255,000 ABP 15.85; KQ 544,100 ABP 7.15; MTN 23,800 ABP 5.20
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 10,773 Location: NAIROBI
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KQ should be taken the route malaysian airlines was taken. This year they will sell assets next year what will they do. Other airlines have taken up routes where kq was misperforming due to its problems. Even Museveni is saying time is right Uganda to have it's own national airlines as the airlines currently serving the country are not living to the expectations. The only news we hear is this asser was sold, this plane was Leased to this airline not growth in passenger numbers, number of flights to a particular route, growth in volume of cargo Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi
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[quote=ArrestedDev]The intrigues are still there. Fresh thinking is needed. Ngunze should hang the boots up. Quote:Another problem is snowballing. The airline replaced its B777s with the smaller but more fuel efficient 787-8 Dreamliner for its long haul routes. This week a source at the airline told us: “The Boeing 787-8 fleet is stretched to the limits with hardly any time left for servicing the aircraft. Frequent breakdowns have resulted in delays, cancellations and huge hotel bills, as passengers are accommodated after cancellations”. Read in between the lines in the below articles. Ignore Mbugua's assertions. http://www.nation.co.ke/.../-/132f52s/-/index.html[/quote] Obiero that story is a big lie I agree... possunt quia posse videntur
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/29/2016 Posts: 898 Location: Nairobi
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maka wrote:[quote=ArrestedDev]The intrigues are still there. Fresh thinking is needed. Ngunze should hang the boots up. Quote:Another problem is snowballing. The airline replaced its B777s with the smaller but more fuel efficient 787-8 Dreamliner for its long haul routes. This week a source at the airline told us: “The Boeing 787-8 fleet is stretched to the limits with hardly any time left for servicing the aircraft. Frequent breakdowns have resulted in delays, cancellations and huge hotel bills, as passengers are accommodated after cancellations”. Read in between the lines in the below articles. Ignore Mbugua's assertions. http://www.nation.co.ke/.../-/132f52s/-/index.html[/quote] Obiero that story is a big lie I agree... @maka Not everything is false. The assertions regarding the two B777s parked at JKIA are true. Even the assertion that the B787 are stretched has some substance in it. 7nos. B787 aircrafts plying 7+ routes - BKK & HKG, AMS, LHR,CAN & HAN, DXB, JNB, CDG & BOM. As I said read between the lines.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi
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ArrestedDev wrote:maka wrote:[quote=ArrestedDev]The intrigues are still there. Fresh thinking is needed. Ngunze should hang the boots up. Quote:Another problem is snowballing. The airline replaced its B777s with the smaller but more fuel efficient 787-8 Dreamliner for its long haul routes. This week a source at the airline told us: “The Boeing 787-8 fleet is stretched to the limits with hardly any time left for servicing the aircraft. Frequent breakdowns have resulted in delays, cancellations and huge hotel bills, as passengers are accommodated after cancellations”. Read in between the lines in the below articles. Ignore Mbugua's assertions. http://www.nation.co.ke/.../-/132f52s/-/index.html[/quote] Obiero that story is a big lie I agree... @maka Not everything is false. The assertions regarding the two B777s parked at JKIA are true. Even the assertion that the B787 are stretched has some substance in it. 7nos. B787 aircrafts plying 7+ routes - BKK & HKG, AMS, LHR,CAN & HAN, DXB, JNB, CDG & BOM. As I said read between the lines. Running those 777s will be one costly affair tht KQ can't handle right now...the planes will only be full at most 1 direction...that would be a disaster on to that add the extra staff needed...HOTAC costs...it's going to be crazy. possunt quia posse videntur
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Rank: Member Joined: 9/9/2015 Posts: 233
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Forgive my naivity but they got two grounded planes and idle crew while their 787 fleet are outstretched. 1billion debt to repair and reroute the two 777s cant be bad at all. Can it? Otherwise dispose of the crew. And sell the two planes to employees in equity benefits arrangements. (not in the strict sense of the word) "Buy when there's blood in the streets, even if the blood is your own."
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/29/2016 Posts: 898 Location: Nairobi
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maka wrote:ArrestedDev wrote:maka wrote:[quote=ArrestedDev]The intrigues are still there. Fresh thinking is needed. Ngunze should hang the boots up. Quote:Another problem is snowballing. The airline replaced its B777s with the smaller but more fuel efficient 787-8 Dreamliner for its long haul routes. This week a source at the airline told us: “The Boeing 787-8 fleet is stretched to the limits with hardly any time left for servicing the aircraft. Frequent breakdowns have resulted in delays, cancellations and huge hotel bills, as passengers are accommodated after cancellations”. Read in between the lines in the below articles. Ignore Mbugua's assertions. http://www.nation.co.ke/.../-/132f52s/-/index.html[/quote] Obiero that story is a big lie I agree... @maka Not everything is false. The assertions regarding the two B777s parked at JKIA are true. Even the assertion that the B787 are stretched has some substance in it. 7nos. B787 aircrafts plying 7+ routes - BKK & HKG, AMS, LHR,CAN & HAN, DXB, JNB, CDG & BOM. As I said read between the lines. Running those 777s will be one costly affair tht KQ can't handle right now...the planes will only be full at most 1 direction...that would be a disaster on to that add the extra staff needed...HOTAC costs...it's going to be crazy. @maka, The cargo belly in these heavy metals is a plus if KQ's cargo pricing was right and it could have easily compensated any sector with low pax count. Inefficiencies in fuel procurement is the main factor that rendered these equipment costly, otherwise it would have been wise to be up and running. Some airlines are running 17+ years old of such equipment. Ngunze need to give way to someone with better understanding of the industry.His aviation experience is limited and he wont be able to scare the competition. Do you know his fate?
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,190 Location: Nairobi
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The more I read about KQ's two grounded 777s, the more convinced I am that my charity of choice should start planning to spend that 100k. I wonder if @Obiero would be amenable to increase the bet to 250k on the same terms... Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Member Joined: 10/14/2011 Posts: 661
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ArrestedDev wrote:maka wrote:ArrestedDev wrote:maka wrote:[quote=ArrestedDev]The intrigues are still there. Fresh thinking is needed. Ngunze should hang the boots up. Quote:Another problem is snowballing. The airline replaced its B777s with the smaller but more fuel efficient 787-8 Dreamliner for its long haul routes. This week a source at the airline told us: “The Boeing 787-8 fleet is stretched to the limits with hardly any time left for servicing the aircraft. Frequent breakdowns have resulted in delays, cancellations and huge hotel bills, as passengers are accommodated after cancellations”. Read in between the lines in the below articles. Ignore Mbugua's assertions. http://www.nation.co.ke/.../-/132f52s/-/index.html[/quote] Obiero that story is a big lie I agree... @maka Not everything is false. The assertions regarding the two B777s parked at JKIA are true. Even the assertion that the B787 are stretched has some substance in it. 7nos. B787 aircrafts plying 7+ routes - BKK & HKG, AMS, LHR,CAN & HAN, DXB, JNB, CDG & BOM. As I said read between the lines. Running those 777s will be one costly affair tht KQ can't handle right now...the planes will only be full at most 1 direction...that would be a disaster on to that add the extra staff needed...HOTAC costs...it's going to be crazy. @maka, The cargo belly in these heavy metals is a plus if KQ's cargo pricing was right and it could have easily compensated any sector with low pax count. Inefficiencies in fuel procurement is the main factor that rendered these equipment costly, otherwise it would have been wise to be up and running. Some airlines are running 17+ years old of such equipment. Ngunze need to give way to someone with better understanding of the industry.His aviation experience is limited and he wont be able to scare the competition. Do you know his fate? Discussion here points to conclusion of a rational managerial decision in grounding the 777, @ maka noted that Running them will be one costly affair that KQ can't handle right now. .. KQ has tried options for offloading idle crew as the article acknowledges, they are just not sitting pretty or are they @ArrestedDev, on your issues with cargo pricing and planes being put for both cargo & pax, I saw CEO's justification of the pricing strategy. Is there unmet demand for cargo.
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/29/2016 Posts: 898 Location: Nairobi
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Direct operating costs are a must for an airline to generate revenue. Nairobi is second to Johannesburg in Africa with respect to Cargo volumes and KQ should not leave the business to foreign carriers. Both pax and cgo pricing for KQ is detrimental to its growth. No justification from Ngunze can convince anyone.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,713 Location: nairobi
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ArrestedDev wrote:Direct operating costs are a must for an airline to generate revenue. Nairobi is second to Johannesburg in Africa with respect to Cargo volumes and KQ should not leave the business to foreign carriers. Both pax and cgo pricing for KQ is detrimental to its growth. No justification from Ngunze can convince anyone. Ngunze may be a novice as proposed by some but then the lies about KQ cargo should end. It's the best in Africa offering unequalled connections http://lesleysimpson.co....rline-of-the-year-award/
COOP 255,000 ABP 15.85; KQ 544,100 ABP 7.15; MTN 23,800 ABP 5.20
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/29/2016 Posts: 898 Location: Nairobi
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obiero wrote:[quote=ArrestedDev]Direct operating costs are a must for an airline to generate revenue. Nairobi is second to Johannesburg in Africa with respect to Cargo volumes and KQ should not leave the business to foreign carriers. Both pax and cgo pricing for KQ is detrimental to its growth. No justification from Ngunze can convince anyone. Ngunze may be a novice as proposed by some but then the lies about KQ cargo should end. It's the best in Africa offering unequalled connections http://lesleysimpson.co....line-of-the-year-award/[/quote] How many tonnes does KQ uplift per year? They are not taking advantage of such a perception. There is a lot to be done to net more tonnes so as to boost revenue.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,713 Location: nairobi
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ArrestedDev wrote:obiero wrote:[quote=ArrestedDev]Direct operating costs are a must for an airline to generate revenue. Nairobi is second to Johannesburg in Africa with respect to Cargo volumes and KQ should not leave the business to foreign carriers. Both pax and cgo pricing for KQ is detrimental to its growth. No justification from Ngunze can convince anyone. Ngunze may be a novice as proposed by some but then the lies about KQ cargo should end. It's the best in Africa offering unequalled connections http://lesleysimpson.co....line-of-the-year-award/[/quote] How many tonnes does KQ uplift per year? They are not taking advantage of such a perception. There is a lot to be done to net more tonnes so as to boost revenue. The ban on miraa led to part of the bleeding at KQ. USD 5M cut off.. Just like that. Kenya Airways in 2016 is projected to grow total cargo uplifted by over 20 percent to 89,871 tonnes. Currently KQ carries about 72,504 tonnes yearly, contributing over 10percent of its own total revenue. Nairobi as a hub offers advantages that can not be overcome. Cargo freight by air is never about cost, but speed. Horticultural produce from Kenya cannot go to Ethiopia for onward movement to Europe. Trade balance and economic vibrancy necessitate most imports to also come to Kenya for onward distribution across Africa
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