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Lamu/Mpeketoni
poundfoolish
#211 Posted : Monday, June 16, 2014 3:38:58 PM
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2012 wrote:
guru267 wrote:
2012 wrote:

I'm still wondering if the attackers were Al Shabab. Just because they had their flag doesn't mean they are.


They were Somali
They had the flag
They were speaking Somali
They spoke about KDF
Highly military trained
Highly weaponized

So how do these accounts bring any suspicion?



I know you think otherwise but this looked too amateur and poorly coordinated compared to the Westgate attack which killed more and was only carried out by 4 attackers. My guess is they are MRC, Al Shabab sympathizers.


Amateur and poorly coordinated?

100 people dead.. a whole town razed, a police post wiped out and thugs vanishing into thin air. GoK is very clueless 20hours later......

You call that amateurish..?
Robinhood
#212 Posted : Monday, June 16, 2014 3:40:20 PM
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Magigi wrote:
limanika wrote:
McReggae wrote:
limanika wrote:
McReggae wrote:
limanika wrote:
guru267 wrote:
limanika wrote:
Shouldn’t the county governments be aware of all the blind spots in their areas of jurisdiction? This was the main risk with devolution.


Security is the job of National Government not counties!

Any governor who thinks he has no responsibility whatsoever to liaise with / facilitate national government to assure security of his people who elected him is not worth that job. Weren’t county commissioners only posted recently amid great opposition and claims from cord we do not even need chiefs to coordinate security matters amid other duties on behalf of national government? Why all this double speak??


Another point of ignorance there, we have had county commisioners since the day Kiabki appointed, they were simply added more powers the other day!!!

How recent is recent! But that's beside the point. Did Cord support their appointment then and now? That's the crux of the matter!!!


You are now going and round the matter, even besides the county commisioners are you aware that we have county police commanders, the fact is that Security is a national function so stop trying trying to justify the shame in our security by blaming the county governments!!!
I rest my case. Next!

...Even if the County governments wanted to help the national government, all their efforts would be shot down because the government is not keen on devolution. I am not sure on this, but I don't think Ole Lenku or top security chiefs have ever commented Dr Alfred Mutua for his efforts in subsidizing the security efforts of the national government.


You will become a guka first before you hear them appreciate this.
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Rahatupu
#213 Posted : Monday, June 16, 2014 3:42:16 PM
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Al Shaabad it is. Sources from the ground indicate that the assailants carried black flag, spoke in Somali/Arabic and their method of separating the men from women can only serve to validate this claim. Not too complicated to analyse.

Magigi
#214 Posted : Monday, June 16, 2014 3:42:41 PM
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I have never been to Lamu...All I have heard, seen and read is that the area is well endowed with resources.
question no 1. What are these resources?
Question no 2. Who is exploiting these resources and how?
Question no 3. Are the locals benefiting from the resources?
Robinhood
#215 Posted : Monday, June 16, 2014 3:43:49 PM
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Lolest! wrote:
McReggae wrote:
limanika wrote:
My condolences to all affected. Why is Cord quick to blame the central government without mentioning the county government? Haven’t they always stated they want the national government to have nothing to do with counties? What is the Lamu county government saying. Shouldn’t the county governments be aware of all the blind spots in their areas of jurisdiction? This was the main risk with devolution.


My friend, Security was not devolved and lies squarely on the shoulders of the National Government.....

exactly. which is why I supported the govt's empowering of machifu na ghadhaliga

We cannot trust county govts with security


True @Lole. You see some county gavas would quickly use the security apparatus to remove madoadoa, regardless of any coalitions, ICC, or whatever
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Pedes
#216 Posted : Monday, June 16, 2014 3:44:03 PM
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Before the Thika Rd attacks, Mombasa had experienced some terror related activities. Shababu tend to swing from Msa to Nbi.

ION, Ole Lenku has a crush on red lines.
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Robinhood
#217 Posted : Monday, June 16, 2014 3:46:30 PM
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Magigi wrote:
I have never been to Lamu...All I have heard, seen and read is that the area is well endowed with resources.
question no 1. What are these resources?
Question no 2. Who is exploiting these resources and how?
Question no 3. Are the locals benefiting from the resources?


This is compounded by the fact that Walker's fathe transplanted people from central Kenya and planted them in Lamu. The issue has been festering for ages. I do not think this is the cause of this mayhem though
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Impunity
#218 Posted : Monday, June 16, 2014 3:46:36 PM
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Swenani wrote:
Impunity wrote:
dunkang wrote:
guru267 wrote:
Ive been wondering about MRC!

How can MRC possibly have this level of weaponry and military training??


Eish eish eish Madam commander.

We have given up. Your boys did it. They won hands down, they have receive double portion of virgins now in your heaven (72*2=144)!

Now go celebrate with your boys!You have won the war, the battle and the Caliphate, or whatever it is you want.


She can also join the virgins and make it 145 for the their guys.


Guru267 belongs to me, she is only try t play hard.With time ataingia tu box


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josimar
#219 Posted : Monday, June 16, 2014 3:48:09 PM
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I just can't understand how the local administration sends out a distress call to Headquarters ( where could this be ?) and they don't receive any response 4 - 5 hours down the line..The KDF has presence in Kiunga and Manda Bay why could they not be alerted. How could the security apparatus not spot unusual movements in a town such as Mpeketoni , it takes time to plan such an attack. When 2 KDF soldiers were shot at Hindi ( a trading centre) , Lamu that would have been a wake up call that insurgents have penetrated Kenyan soil. I cry for Our country.
Swenani
#220 Posted : Monday, June 16, 2014 3:50:40 PM
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Um Sayala wrote:
murchr wrote:
Ethnic cleansing

I dont know why you are pushing this agenda of ethnic cleansing. Whose interest do you want to serve?
I happen to have close relatives in Mpeketoni. They tried reaching me in the night, around 2250hrs but I didnt pick the phone(which was in silent mode).
Since morning I've been trying to call them but cd not reach them, partly that's why I cd not post a thing on wazua, esp on this thread.

IT IS not cleansing. I have spoken to them, they are safe but a relative of theirs is dead. The attackers separated men from women and children, then shot dead the men and slit their throats. They said they would not kill women and children the way our soldiers are doing in their land, SOMALIA. This is Al shaabab


Sorry about the distress you wentthrough.

But look at these mpeketoni objectively and try answering these questions
1.Why Mpeketoni?
2.If its alshabaab, Why would they travel all the way from somalia, leave kiunga and the many villlages between kiunga and mpeketoni(aproximately 7 villages or so with inhabitants of between 2-3K people) most of which dont have mobile coverage and no police post,inaccessible roads when it rains etc
3.If I were alshabaab and only interested in killing kenyans, I would send between 5-10 guys in each of those villages and have the death toll in 1,000s and not come to mpeketoni to kill a few people.
4.Going or coming from Somali is either you drive,use speed boats(Speed boats cannot go past Kiwayu due to high tides or use a dhow.So 50 pax using either of the above channels would have been noticed by the navy base in kiunga who always carry out surveillance or noticed when using speed boats or driving.The only cars that drive to kiunga are the military,police,KWS, fisheries and a few NGO's and the locals including the locals at Lamu will tell you which car is going which direction and when.

5.The only other argument that could make Alshabaab travel all that distance is becuase the villages near Somali are mainly Muslims hence to target Kenyan non muslims would have been Mpeketoni.

But again, consideirng what happened in Liboi; I think Alshabaab wont care about being muslim or non muslim
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