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Rank: Veteran Joined: 10/29/2008 Posts: 1,566
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That, quoting a political party operative verbatim 27 days to election day! What has IEBC got to say about the issue - dont rely on a politician's mouthpiece. Isuni yilu yi maa me muyo - ni Mbisuu
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/14/2006 Posts: 1,311
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maka wrote:Nandwa wrote:maka wrote:essyk wrote:IEBC issued their statement today at noon.
Elections must go on as scheduled.Below is their program.
10th July - Meeting with all presidential candidates.
11th July- Receive Public participation views.
12th July- Review of above.
14th.. I think is the set date to start printing??
According to chebukati the burden rests with the PPOA
to draft the framework that will act as guide for public participation.
Well, they have 9th and 10th to do all that..😦😦
The PPOA still provides room for direct procurement under the following conditions.
1. if there's urgent need for goods /services being procured
2. if because of urgency the other available methods are impractical
3.if the circumstances that gave rise to the urgency were not foreseeable and not as a result of dilatory conduct on behalf of the procuring entity.
And yes IEBC will appeal says chebs.
Do we even have time to follow due process? Let them appeal...They will never win.... Why such finality? The basis of the appeal...
With judge shopping ..... Someone can say it with finality.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/21/2011 Posts: 2,032
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Ngalaka wrote:That, quoting a political party operative verbatim 27 days to election day! What has IEBC got to say about the issue - dont rely on a politician's mouthpiece. IEBC this, IEBC that...Can we for once stop the side shows and give IEBC the much needed space to prepare for the election rather than making them join us chase the wind. Even if there are double registered voters - say 1 or 2 or whatever number, for whatever reason - it really isnt an issue until - after the election - you can provide evidence that so many double registered voters 'voted twice' and made your opponent to win. we know the challenges with our voter register didn't start yesterday and it's impossible to have 100% clean register. For now, comments insinuating that whatever inconsistencies there might be in the register is an intention to rig, is to put the cart before the horse. Our laws only require IEBC to strive to achieve clean register, they have done all they can IMHO. And let's leave it at that for now.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2010 Posts: 3,504 Location: Uganda
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limanika wrote:Ngalaka wrote:That, quoting a political party operative verbatim 27 days to election day! What has IEBC got to say about the issue - dont rely on a politician's mouthpiece. IEBC this, IEBC that...Can we for once stop the side shows and give IEBC the much needed space to prepare for the election rather than making them join us chase the wind. Even if there are double registered voters - say 1 or 2 or whatever number, for whatever reason - it really isnt an issue until - after the election - you can provide evidence that so many double registered voters 'voted twice' and made your opponent to win. we know the challenges with our voter register didn't start yesterday and it's impossible to have 100% clean register. For now, comments insinuating that whatever inconsistencies there might be in the register is an intention to rig, is to put the cart before the horse. Our laws only require IEBC to strive to achieve clean register, they have done all they can IMHO. And let's leave it at that for now. providing Kshs20k hard copy emits more heat than light. IEBC is bringing itself more problems than solutions.why not provide the soft copy bad as it may be? punda amecheka
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/3/2008 Posts: 4,057 Location: Gwitu
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Liv wrote:[quote=newfarer]why is iebc unwilling to publish the voter register? what is there to hide if it's the one we shall use on 8.8. why are they giving the opposition a good chance to claim kiriibiwo http://www.the-star.co.k...e-listed-twice_c1594235[/quote]
Should they publish because they are required to do so by law or because NASA wants it? The law says that Commission shall, upon expiry of the period for verification publish the Register of Voters online and in such other manner as may be as may be prescribed by regulationsSome guys are reading it selectively. Can they tell us what the regulations prescribe? Truth forever on the scaffold
Wrong forever on the throne
(James Russell Rowell)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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NASA now claims that some people are listed more than once. They say that the 19m register should have only one Joseph Wafula, George Otieno, John Kamau etc. That no two people should share a name in Kenya. http://www.the-star.co.k...le-listed-twice_c1594235
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi
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limanika wrote:Ngalaka wrote:That, quoting a political party operative verbatim 27 days to election day! What has IEBC got to say about the issue - dont rely on a politician's mouthpiece. IEBC this, IEBC that...Can we for once stop the side shows and give IEBC the much needed space to prepare for the election rather than making them join us chase the wind. Even if there are double registered voters - say 1 or 2 or whatever number, for whatever reason - it really isnt an issue until - after the election - you can provide evidence that so many double registered voters 'voted twice' and made your opponent to win. we know the challenges with our voter register didn't start yesterday and it's impossible to have 100% clean register. For now, comments insinuating that whatever inconsistencies there might be in the register is an intention to rig, is to put the cart before the horse. Our laws only require IEBC to strive to achieve clean register, they have done all they can IMHO. And let's leave it at that for now. Its possible to have a 100% clean register... possunt quia posse videntur
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Rank: Member Joined: 3/17/2009 Posts: 201
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maka wrote:limanika wrote:Ngalaka wrote:That, quoting a political party operative verbatim 27 days to election day! What has IEBC got to say about the issue - dont rely on a politician's mouthpiece. IEBC this, IEBC that...Can we for once stop the side shows and give IEBC the much needed space to prepare for the election rather than making them join us chase the wind. Even if there are double registered voters - say 1 or 2 or whatever number, for whatever reason - it really isnt an issue until - after the election - you can provide evidence that so many double registered voters 'voted twice' and made your opponent to win. we know the challenges with our voter register didn't start yesterday and it's impossible to have 100% clean register. For now, comments insinuating that whatever inconsistencies there might be in the register is an intention to rig, is to put the cart before the horse. Our laws only require IEBC to strive to achieve clean register, they have done all they can IMHO. And let's leave it at that for now. Its possible to have a 100% clean register... what about the people who die between the verification and the time of voting how will they be removed??
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/23/2008 Posts: 3,017
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limanika wrote:Ngalaka wrote:That, quoting a political party operative verbatim 27 days to election day! What has IEBC got to say about the issue - dont rely on a politician's mouthpiece. IEBC this, IEBC that...Can we for once stop the side shows and give IEBC the much needed space to prepare for the election rather than making them join us chase the wind. Even if there are double registered voters - say 1 or 2 or whatever number, for whatever reason - it really isnt an issue until - after the election - you can provide evidence that so many double registered voters 'voted twice' and made your opponent to win. we know the challenges with our voter register didn't start yesterday and it's impossible to have 100% clean register. For now, comments insinuating that whatever inconsistencies there might be in the register is an intention to rig, is to put the cart before the horse. Our laws only require IEBC to strive to achieve clean register, they have done all they can IMHO. And let's leave it at that for now. Why wait for after election if you have evidence now. If 3rd parties can pick irregularities, with limited time and resources, why can't the body mandated to clean the register do it and they have had 5 years since last election? Shouldn't we have a system that automatically rejects a double registration, i.e you can't use the same ID twice? "The purpose of bureaucracy is to compensate for incompetence and lack of discipline." James Collins
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/21/2011 Posts: 2,032
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Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:limanika wrote:Ngalaka wrote:That, quoting a political party operative verbatim 27 days to election day! What has IEBC got to say about the issue - dont rely on a politician's mouthpiece. IEBC this, IEBC that...Can we for once stop the side shows and give IEBC the much needed space to prepare for the election rather than making them join us chase the wind. Even if there are double registered voters - say 1 or 2 or whatever number, for whatever reason - it really isnt an issue until - after the election - you can provide evidence that so many double registered voters 'voted twice' and made your opponent to win. we know the challenges with our voter register didn't start yesterday and it's impossible to have 100% clean register. For now, comments insinuating that whatever inconsistencies there might be in the register is an intention to rig, is to put the cart before the horse. Our laws only require IEBC to strive to achieve clean register, they have done all they can IMHO. And let's leave it at that for now. Why wait for after election if you have evidence now. If 3rd parties can pick irregularities, with limited time and resources, why can't the body mandated to clean the register do it and they have had 5 years since last election? Shouldn't we have a system that automatically rejects a double registration, i.e you can't use the same ID twice? Why do we have electronic voter identification during voting, is it not to provide extra measure of protection in case of such eventualities..meaning they are not unexpected. And by the way, somebody has just claimed in the media that they have picked 400k cases of double registration, we do not even know if this is true or not.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi
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IEBC have said they will not re tender printing of presidential ballot papers as ordered by the court. possunt quia posse videntur
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/5/2010 Posts: 2,459
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limanika wrote:Ngalaka wrote:That, quoting a political party operative verbatim 27 days to election day! What has IEBC got to say about the issue - dont rely on a politician's mouthpiece. IEBC this, IEBC that...Can we for once stop the side shows and give IEBC the much needed space to prepare for the election rather than making them join us chase the wind. Even if there are double registered voters - say 1 or 2 or whatever number, for whatever reason - it really isnt an issue until - after the election - you can provide evidence that so many double registered voters 'voted twice' and made your opponent to win. we know the challenges with our voter register didn't start yesterday and it's impossible to have 100% clean register. For now, comments insinuating that whatever inconsistencies there might be in the register is an intention to rig, is to put the cart before the horse. Our laws only require IEBC to strive to achieve clean register, they have done all they can IMHO. And let's leave it at that for now. Seems you have a higher standard for the city council garbage collection unit than you have for the IEBC. IEBC is one of the best funded commissions. They attract the best talent because they pay better salaries than most blue chip companies for all cadres. In the last four years, they only had one job. To prepare a clean voters register. They didn't do it. So they hired KPMG to do the job for them. Now they have refused to release both the audited register and the KPMG audit report. Both legal requirements. In Ghana, the electoral commission there was not required by law to publish the register. But they did and invited the public to point out any anomalies. That boosted the public confidence in them and allowed them to deliver what is being regarded as the most credible and transparent election in Africa's history
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/21/2011 Posts: 2,032
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FRM2011 wrote:limanika wrote:Ngalaka wrote:That, quoting a political party operative verbatim 27 days to election day! What has IEBC got to say about the issue - dont rely on a politician's mouthpiece. IEBC this, IEBC that...Can we for once stop the side shows and give IEBC the much needed space to prepare for the election rather than making them join us chase the wind. Even if there are double registered voters - say 1 or 2 or whatever number, for whatever reason - it really isnt an issue until - after the election - you can provide evidence that so many double registered voters 'voted twice' and made your opponent to win. we know the challenges with our voter register didn't start yesterday and it's impossible to have 100% clean register. For now, comments insinuating that whatever inconsistencies there might be in the register is an intention to rig, is to put the cart before the horse. Our laws only require IEBC to strive to achieve clean register, they have done all they can IMHO. And let's leave it at that for now. Seems you have a higher standard for the city council garbage collection unit than you have for the IEBC. IEBC is one of the best funded commissions. They attract the best talent because they pay better salaries than most blue chip companies for all cadres. In the last four years, they only had one job. To prepare a clean voters register. They didn't do it. So they hired KPMG to do the job for them. Now they have refused to release both the audited register and the KPMG audit report. Both legal requirements. In Ghana, the electoral commission there was not required by law to publish the register. But they did and invited the public to point out any anomalies. That boosted the public confidence in them and allowed them to deliver what is being regarded as the most credible and transparent election in Africa's history I thought the register is available? Why then are people claiming there are 400k double entries if register has not been released? And the KPMG audit report, why do you want it? isnt that like witch hunting? If naswa dont trust IEBC let them just say so instead of running round in circles. but it's too late.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/7/2007 Posts: 11,935 Location: Nairobi
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This unmanaged daily "complains" and "demands" by NASA will eventually have an effect on their supporters. FATIGUE!!! Cleverly, Jubilee have kept stoking the fire, keeping the distance while their eyes are trained on the votes. NASA will never know what hit them. Nothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 10/8/2008 Posts: 1,575
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Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:limanika wrote:Ngalaka wrote:That, quoting a political party operative verbatim 27 days to election day! What has IEBC got to say about the issue - dont rely on a politician's mouthpiece. IEBC this, IEBC that...Can we for once stop the side shows and give IEBC the much needed space to prepare for the election rather than making them join us chase the wind. Even if there are double registered voters - say 1 or 2 or whatever number, for whatever reason - it really isnt an issue until o- after the election - you can provide evidence that so many double registered voters 'voted twice' and made your opponent to win. we know the challenges with our voter register didn't start yesterday and it's impossible to have 100% clean register. For now, comments insinuating that whatever inconsistencies there might be in the register is an intention to rig, is to put the cart before the horse. Our laws only require IEBC to strive to achieve clean register, they have done all they can IMHO. And let's leave it at that for now. Why wait for after election if you have evidence now. If 3rd parties can pick irregularities, with limited time and resources, why can't the body mandated to clean the register do it and they have had 5 years since last election? Shouldn't we have a system that automatically rejects a double registration, i.e you can't use the same ID twice? Can those who have identified double registrations publicise the same? - 400685 (very nice figure i must say) I care!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/5/2010 Posts: 2,459
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limanika wrote:FRM2011 wrote:limanika wrote:Ngalaka wrote:That, quoting a political party operative verbatim 27 days to election day! What has IEBC got to say about the issue - dont rely on a politician's mouthpiece. IEBC this, IEBC that...Can we for once stop the side shows and give IEBC the much needed space to prepare for the election rather than making them join us chase the wind. Even if there are double registered voters - say 1 or 2 or whatever number, for whatever reason - it really isnt an issue until - after the election - you can provide evidence that so many double registered voters 'voted twice' and made your opponent to win. we know the challenges with our voter register didn't start yesterday and it's impossible to have 100% clean register. For now, comments insinuating that whatever inconsistencies there might be in the register is an intention to rig, is to put the cart before the horse. Our laws only require IEBC to strive to achieve clean register, they have done all they can IMHO. And let's leave it at that for now. Seems you have a higher standard for the city council garbage collection unit than you have for the IEBC. IEBC is one of the best funded commissions. They attract the best talent because they pay better salaries than most blue chip companies for all cadres. In the last four years, they only had one job. To prepare a clean voters register. They didn't do it. So they hired KPMG to do the job for them. Now they have refused to release both the audited register and the KPMG audit report. Both legal requirements. In Ghana, the electoral commission there was not required by law to publish the register. But they did and invited the public to point out any anomalies. That boosted the public confidence in them and allowed them to deliver what is being regarded as the most credible and transparent election in Africa's history I thought the register is available? Why then are people claiming there are 400k double entries if register has not been released? Law obligates them to publish it online. 5 of them actually. National register, county register, constituency register, ward register and polling station register. They have refused but you can buy from them if interestedAnd the KPMG audit report, why do you want it? isnt that like witch hunting? Again, the law demands they release the audit report within 7 days after receiving it from the auditors. If naswa dont trust IEBC let them just say so instead of running round in circles. but it's too late.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 1,982 Location: matano manne
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One thing that's still buffing me is the ruling that public participation be there in single sourced tendering.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/6/2008 Posts: 3,554
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maka wrote:IEBC have said they will not re tender printing of presidential ballot papers as ordered by the court. Waiting for NASWA to yell "mass action", that's when we will know plan B has started! Meru Holiness
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/6/2008 Posts: 3,554
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Rahatupu wrote:One thing that's still buffing me is the ruling that public participation be there in single sourced tendering. One answer, ukabila, ujinga, utoto e.t.c combined, even in judiciary!!  Meru Holiness
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/3/2008 Posts: 4,057 Location: Gwitu
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We have lost this country to Lawyers. Ours must be the most litigious country south of sahara! Truth forever on the scaffold
Wrong forever on the throne
(James Russell Rowell)
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