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hardwood
#201 Posted : Friday, November 04, 2016 7:00:13 PM
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^^^ Hii maneno is just complicated. I think the best thing for wanjiku to do is to join in the nyama-fest. Hata mkia ni nyama. At the end of the day hii ni mali ya uma na haina mwenyewe.
Angelica _ann
#202 Posted : Friday, November 04, 2016 7:06:04 PM
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hardwood wrote:
^^^ Hii maneno is just complicated. I think the best thing for wanjiku to do is to join in the nyama-fest. Hata mkia ni nyama. At the end of the day hii ni mali ya uma na haina mwenyewe.

How do we join, asking for @shiko??????
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hardwood
#203 Posted : Friday, November 04, 2016 7:09:55 PM
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hardwood wrote:
Baba ate youth funds Round 1, Kabura ate Round 2.

www.standardmedia.co.ke/...r-fire-over-missing-cash


From that link Baba ate Ksh 970m of KKV Youth Funds while Kabura ate 791m. Baba should also be summoned by PAC to explain why and how he ate the KKV youth cash.
hardwood
#204 Posted : Friday, November 04, 2016 7:12:39 PM
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Angelica _ann wrote:
hardwood wrote:
^^^ Hii maneno is just complicated. I think the best thing for wanjiku to do is to join in the nyama-fest. Hata mkia ni nyama. At the end of the day hii ni mali ya uma na haina mwenyewe.

How do we join, asking for @shiko??????


Ask baba. His snout was in the trough in 2011 munching KKV nyama and teaching Kabura tabia mbaya.
Angelica _ann
#205 Posted : Friday, November 04, 2016 7:15:20 PM
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Matoe wrote:

If this was not taken up by the prosecution office and family bank investigate, then we are wasting our time .
In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
moneydust
#206 Posted : Friday, November 04, 2016 7:18:20 PM
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Lolest! wrote:
PeterReborn wrote:
hardwood wrote:
How come no one ever calls hawa watu wa IFMIS to come and explain matters?

They system contains two components;human and computer system.The computer system doesnt exist in a vacuum.No matter the system you have if the human component is wanting the system will always have problems.One problem though with IFMIS is why are the users entering the amounts manually?Once the LPOs are approved,no user should be able to change the amounts either at the point of receiving goods or while processing the invoices.This will eliminate the adding of the zeros nonsense.Waiguru was process driven and that is why so many dont like her.Systems tracks all the transactions in the systems in terms of who logs in when and what transactions did they post.

At which point were zeros being added? The system people should be called in to explain how the system was set up

It could be possible that there is no proper system workflow for approval hence the need to manually sign the documents


Yes the IFMIS administrator should be called in to give evidence on this.I insist it is impossible to add those zeros in the LPO once it has being processed,unless there is a backdoor somewhere in the system.The perpetrators of the NYS heist appear to have been very crude characters with no pretense to sophistication, therefore hacking is beyond them.This theft was simply a case of collusion from the procurement to the accounts department. Infact I wonder why PAC has not called these so called junior officers to give testimony, it is from them you will begin to know who are the masters.
The PACS focus on Waiguru and Mangiti shows that their inquiry is more or less led by bar room talk,media and political gossip.They should have started from the person who initiated the requisition,to the approvers all the way to Waiguru at the end.
moneydust
#207 Posted : Friday, November 04, 2016 7:22:29 PM
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Angelica _ann wrote:
Matoe wrote:

If this was not taken up by the prosecution office and family bank investigate, then we are wasting our time .


This led to the firing of the CEO and a number of family bank staff but I agree money must have changed hands to ensure they don't face justice.
hardwood
#208 Posted : Friday, November 04, 2016 7:24:59 PM
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Angelica _ann wrote:
Matoe wrote:

If this was not taken up by the prosecution office and family bank investigate, then we are wasting our time .


Waegoro yesterday clearly stated that the money moved from NYS ------> Kabura --------->Gethi (Horizon Inc) --------->Senator from RV & co. Gethi guy has been in this game since the days of Rugut and even before Jubilee was born and long before whistle blower Waegoro became CS. Waegoro cut the pipeline and you can see how viciously the cartels have fought back.
Kratos
#209 Posted : Friday, November 04, 2016 7:33:10 PM
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moneydust wrote:
Lolest! wrote:
PeterReborn wrote:
hardwood wrote:
How come no one ever calls hawa watu wa IFMIS to come and explain matters?

They system contains two components;human and computer system.The computer system doesnt exist in a vacuum.No matter the system you have if the human component is wanting the system will always have problems.One problem though with IFMIS is why are the users entering the amounts manually?Once the LPOs are approved,no user should be able to change the amounts either at the point of receiving goods or while processing the invoices.This will eliminate the adding of the zeros nonsense.Waiguru was process driven and that is why so many dont like her.Systems tracks all the transactions in the systems in terms of who logs in when and what transactions did they post.

At which point were zeros being added? The system people should be called in to explain how the system was set up

It could be possible that there is no proper system workflow for approval hence the need to manually sign the documents


Yes the IFMIS administrator should be called in to give evidence on this.I insist it is impossible to add those zeros in the LPO once it has being processed,unless there is a backdoor somewhere in the system.The perpetrators of the NYS heist appear to have been very crude characters with no pretense to sophistication, therefore hacking is beyond them.This theft was simply a case of collusion from the procurement to the accounts department. Infact I wonder why PAC has not called these so called junior officers to give testimony, it is from them you will begin to know who are the masters.
The PACS focus on Waiguru and Mangiti shows that their inquiry is more or less led by bar room talk,media and political gossip.They should have started from the person who initiated the requisition,to the approvers all the way to Waiguru at the end.


Exactly. The IFMIS system doesn't run itself and like with most systems it has checks and balances. Just by understanding how it works the PAC will narrow down on who did what, how and when and how it collaborates with the other evidence like bank statements lpo's etc. Hii ingine wanafanya is just for the cameras.

“People will believe a big lie sooner than a little one, and if you repeat it frequently enough, people will sooner or later believe it.” ― Walter C. Langer
murchr
#210 Posted : Friday, November 04, 2016 7:41:09 PM
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Angelica _ann wrote:
Matoe wrote:

If this was not taken up by the prosecution office and family bank investigate, then we are wasting our time .


Now this is where it gets frustrating.

Here is the DPP who's job is to prosecute. Why has Munyiri not been taken to court and charged with Money laundering?

After a conviction, then his license to operate a micro-finance can be revoked. Otherwise CBK cant act from hear say, they have to follow orders from a court of law of parliament.

Why does the govt employ incompetent people really?
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