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The pain of being These People
Alba
#191 Posted : Thursday, February 11, 2016 11:25:56 PM
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kaka2za wrote:


I am convinced that you don't live in Kenya. If you were in Kenya between 2005 -2007 you would have felt the tension. The referendum was not the issue the aftermath was critical.The winners were ready to vanquish the enemy in 2007.Uhuru who had been in the Orange team soon realised the game had changed and he bolted.
Referendums in Kenya have little to do with the issue at hand.They are used for political posturing. Ruto said as much in 2010. He didn't necessarily have anything about Katiba but it was perfect opportunity to establish his political base.


Again the tribal tension is caused by our leaders who have pitted Kenyans against each other. And we fall for it every time.

Perhaps that tension could have beeen diffused by drafting a better constitution and selling it on its merits. Instead the 2005 referendum was cast by our leaders in tribal terms. Both banana and Orange leaders were guilty of casting the vote in tribal terms. Our leaders told us which tribe would benefit from it and which ones would not. Thats what caused the tension.

If we always think of issues in tribal terms then tribal tension is inevitable.

The 2005 constitution was flawed. It should have been rejected by everyone. But not on tribal terms.

If Kenyan culture was such that people voted on issues like corruption and security, there would be no tension. The 2002 elections and the 2010 referendum are examples of events that actually united Kenyans across the bitter divides.

After the 2005 referendum, Kibaki is said to have been furious with his inner circle who basically lied to him due to selfish interests.
Alba
#192 Posted : Thursday, February 11, 2016 11:31:07 PM
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Kibaki blew it. He won the 2002 election after having received wholehearted support from all Kenyan provinces. Kenyans were very united in 2002. Kibaki had a lot of goodwill. People in western, Nyanza and Coast turned out in droves to vote for Kibaki.

Instead of building on that unity and trust, Kibaki retreated back to his tribal coccoon this creating hostility.

The term coined by Nation newspapers "Mount Kenya mafia" was true. It was a recognition of the fact that Kibaki took all that goodwill and wasted it.

Similarly in 1963, Kenyans were united across all provinces. Kenyatta was riding a crest of popularity. Instead of building on that unity and goodwill, he retreated to his own tribal cocoon hence the term "kiambu mafia".

He managed to convince the people that the prosperity of a few people within the tribe is a source of pride for the whole tribe.

Funny how history repeats itself
Each-time there is an opportunity to unite the nation and diffuse tribal tension, our leaders blow it. Then they convince us that their land grabbing and theft is goood for all members of the tribe.

And if a leader from another tribe intervenes, he is your enemy and should sidelined (Oginga) or he is a enemy who should be killed (Pinto, Mboya and maybe Ngala)

And if a leader from your own tribe intervenes, he is a traitor who should be killed (JM Kariuki) or he is a traitor who should be sidelined, rigged out of office and cast aside (Bildad Kaggia). Or if he is too stubborn, he should just be detained in jail without trial (Koigi Wamwere and others)

Somehow the leadership convinced the people that actions like murder, detention, and expulsion from the party were justified because they were in the best interests of the tribe.

Today in 2016 we still haven't learned. Even Boniface Mwangi is seen as an enemy by many on wazua. In reality Boniface Mwangi types who criticize both sides of the political equation are the kind of people who can unite Kenyans by making us more of an issue oriented people. Being tribe oriented only benefits a few elites.
kaka2za
#193 Posted : Friday, February 12, 2016 12:50:48 AM
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Alba wrote:
Kibaki blew it. He won the 2002 election after having received wholehearted support from all Kenyan provinces. Kenyans were very united in 2002. Kibaki had a lot of goodwill. People in western, Nyanza and Coast turned out in droves to vote for Kibaki.

Instead of building on that unity and trust, Kibaki retreated back to his tribal coccoon this creating hostility.

The term coined by Nation newspapers "Mount Kenya mafia" was true. It was a recognition of the fact that Kibaki took all that goodwill and wasted it.

Similarly in 1963, Kenyans were united across all provinces. Kenyatta was riding a crest of popularity. Instead of building on that unity and goodwill, he retreated to his own tribal cocoon hence the term "kiambu mafia".

He managed to convince the people that the prosperity of a few people within the tribe is a source of pride for the whole tribe.

Funny how history repeats itself
Each-time there is an opportunity to unite the nation and diffuse tribal tension, our leaders blow it. Then they convince us that their land grabbing and theft is goood for all members of the tribe.

And if a leader from another tribe intervenes, he is your enemy and should sidelined (Oginga) or he is a enemy who should be killed (Pinto, Mboya and maybe Ngala)

And if a leader from your own tribe intervenes, he is a traitor who should be killed (JM Kariuki) or he is a traitor who should be sidelined, rigged out of office and cast aside (Bildad Kaggia). Or if he is too stubborn, he should just be detained in jail without trial (Koigi Wamwere and others)

Somehow the leadership convinced the people that actions like murder, detention, and expulsion from the party were justified because they were in the best interests of the tribe.

Today in 2016 we still haven't learned. Even Boniface Mwangi is seen as an enemy by many on wazua. In reality Boniface Mwangi types who criticize both sides of the political equation are the kind of people who can unite Kenyans by making us more of an issue oriented people. Being tribe oriented only benefits a few elites.


A few incidents have had fatal consequences on our nation. We don't know how Moi would have turned out if the 82 Coup attempt hadn't happened. It appears he became despotic after that.
Owing to the Machakos junction accident, the Kibaki Tosha at Uhuru park was not the same guy who was sworn in.The vacuum was quickly filled by the mafia and they quickly created an enemy in the erstwhile friend and chief campaigner.
The referendum was payback time. There was no way there was ever going to be a compromise.
I still believe we only got a new constitution due to PEV
Truth forever on the scaffold
Wrong forever on the throne
(James Russell Rowell)
Alba
#194 Posted : Friday, February 12, 2016 1:53:57 AM
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On the 1982 coup

Moi knew about the 1982 coup at least months in advance. he even knew the exact date. Please read up on it. According to this Daily nation article, the special branch asked Moi if they could arrest the coup plotters and Moi refused.

The reason Moi let the coup happen is because he wanted to use the coup as an excuse to clamp down harder on dissidents, rid his cabinet of powerful people like Njonjo and detain potential trouble makers like RAO.

He also wanted to purge the military and police of powerful men from the Jomo Kenyatta regime like the original Ben Gethi who was chief of police and also Maj Gen Kariuki who was AirForce commander. I think even Bernard Hinga was tossed into Kamiti maximum for a brief period.

Most importantly he wanted to justify the decision to make Kenya a one-party state.

Moi knew deep down that a group of delusional Airforce privates were never going to be able to stage a succesful coup d'etat.

This tactic of letting a coup happen has been used by African leaders before. Obote did it in Uganda in the late 1960s. But the most sensational example happened in 1965 in Zaire. Mobutu used a colonel Bangala to infiltrate the opposition and goad them into plotting a coup. He then accused them of treason and hang them in public. It is known as the pentecost hangings. Some of these were former cabinet members like Evariste Kimba.

Once again our leaders are very adept at fooling us. The 1982 coup was Moi's making but he succeeded in convincing the public that other people were at fault. The episode made Moi very popular and justified his actions.
kaka2za
#195 Posted : Friday, February 12, 2016 2:14:04 AM
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Alba wrote:
On the 1982 coup

Moi knew about the 1982 coup at least months in advance. he even knew the exact date. Please read up on it. According to this Daily nation article, the special branch asked Moi if they could arrest the coup plotters and Moi refused.

The reason Moi let the coup happen is because he wanted to use the coup as an excuse to clamp down harder on dissidents, rid his cabinet of powerful people like Njonjo and detain potential trouble makers like RAO.

He also wanted to purge the military and police of powerful men from the Jomo Kenyatta regime like the original Ben Gethi who was chief of police and also Maj Gen Kariuki who was AirForce commander.

Most importantly he wanted to justify the decision to make Kenya a one-party state.

Moi knew deep down that a group of delusional Airforce privates were never going to be able to stage a succesful coup d'etat.

This tactic of letting a coup happen has been used by African leaders before. Obote did it in Uganda in the late 1960s. But the most sensational example happened in 1965 in Zaire. Mobutu used a colonel Bangala to infiltrate the opposition and goad them into plotting a coup. He then used the excuse of their supposed coup plot to hang them in public. It is known as the pentecost hangings. Some of these were former cabinet members like Evariste Kimba.

Once again our leaders are very adept at fooling us. The 1982 coup was Moi's making but he succeeded in convincing the public that other people were at fault.


I concur with your take on 'artificial coups' but I think the 1982 case was different in that Moi did not actually organise the coup.
The coup plotters provided him with an opportunity to purge those he did not like .His was sin of omission,failure to act to stop the coup.
Who knows,maybe without the coup ,the purge might have been delayed and and might have been overtaken by the wind of change following the fall of the iron curtain.
Truth forever on the scaffold
Wrong forever on the throne
(James Russell Rowell)
Ngalaka
#196 Posted : Friday, February 12, 2016 9:09:03 AM
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Alba wrote:
Kibaki blew it. He won the 2002 election after having received wholehearted support from all Kenyan provinces. Kenyans were very united in 2002. Kibaki had a lot of goodwill. People in western, Nyanza and Coast turned out in droves to vote for Kibaki.

Instead of building on that unity and trust, Kibaki retreated back to his tribal coccoon this creating hostility.

The term coined by Nation newspapers "Mount Kenya mafia" was true. It was a recognition of the fact that Kibaki took all that goodwill and wasted it.

Similarly in 1963, Kenyans were united across all provinces. Kenyatta was riding a crest of popularity. Instead of building on that unity and goodwill, he retreated to his own tribal cocoon hence the term "kiambu mafia".

He managed to convince the people that the prosperity of a few people within the tribe is a source of pride for the whole tribe.

Funny how history repeats itself
Each-time there is an opportunity to unite the nation and diffuse tribal tension, our leaders blow it. Then they convince us that their land grabbing and theft is goood for all members of the tribe.

And if a leader from another tribe intervenes, he is your enemy and should sidelined (Oginga) or he is a enemy who should be killed (Pinto, Mboya and maybe Ngala)

And if a leader from your own tribe intervenes, he is a traitor who should be killed (JM Kariuki) or he is a traitor who should be sidelined, rigged out of office and cast aside (Bildad Kaggia). Or if he is too stubborn, he should just be detained in jail without trial (Koigi Wamwere and others)

Somehow the leadership convinced the people that actions like murder, detention, and expulsion from the party were justified because they were in the best interests of the tribe.

Today in 2016 we still haven't learned. Even Boniface Mwangi is seen as an enemy by many on wazua. In reality Boniface Mwangi types who criticize both sides of the political equation are the kind of people who can unite Kenyans by making us more of an issue oriented people. Being tribe oriented only benefits a few elites.


To a very large extend I concur with these views.
Kibaki had a golden opportunity to cement the new found cohesion in the Country. He blew it instead. Granted in the first days of his presidency he was unwell, but he recovered and we didnt see him steer the country in another direction insofar as cohesion is concerned.
However I credit him with positive economic development.
As for Jomo Kenyatta my view is that he encouraged cronyism and tribal chauvinism.

Having said that may I also add that I take a divergent view (disagree) over the views (most) expressed in your Five posts above before this one.
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Alba
#197 Posted : Friday, February 12, 2016 5:22:40 PM
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Ngalaka wrote:

To a very large extend I concur these views.
Kibaki had a golden opportunity to cement the new found cohesion in the Country. He blew it. Granted in the first days of his presidency he was unwell, but he recovered and we didnt see him steer the country in another direction insofar as cohesion is concerned.
However I credit him with positive economic development.
As for Jomo Kenyatta my view is that he encouraged cronyism and tribal chauvinism.

Having said that may I also add that I take a divergent view (disagree) over the views (most) expressed in your Five post above before this one.


I agree that Kibaki did a lot of good. Far be it for me to say he did nothing. On the economy he was much better than Moi. He had to be. Moi had dragged Kenya's economy to a negative GDP growth rate in 2001.

The two issues which are the biggest problems in Kenya today in my opinion are :

1. Tribal tension
2. Corruption

Unfortunately these became worse under Kibaki and they are getting worse under UK.

These two issues are the root cause of all our problems. A world bank report stated that corruption costs Kenya 250,000 jobs annually.

Because the jobless rate is so high, many youth have resorted to crime. If you feel unsafe in Kenya you can blame corruption. It is the root cause of the high crime rate according to the world bank.

The other reason so many of our young men are resorting to crime is because they can see their leaders stealing. Why should only Waiguru-type white collar criminals get rich? they ask. Why cant I also steal they ask?

There was a recent poll done which stated that Kenyan youth think stealing and corruption is Okay.

Thats why it is so imperative that Kenyans take off their tribal hats and start holding leaders accountable for solving problems.

Its high time we stopped allowing our leaders to convince us to vote on tribal basis. The siege mentality has been created by our leaders and their lies. They keep lying to us that our very lives are in danger if we do not vote on tribal basis. We keep falling for it.

It is only the elites who benefit from this tribal arrangement. The rest of you go home worried sick about being mugged or a power blackout or traffic or any other of the myriad problems in Kenya that could be solved if Kenya was a society that was issue oriented and not tribe oriented.

Our leaders have lied to us for fifty years. At some point we have to wake up to their lies. Your own safety and job prospects depends on it.
mawinder
#198 Posted : Monday, February 29, 2016 8:49:08 AM
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hardwood
#199 Posted : Monday, February 29, 2016 9:01:57 AM
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@wazua these dimwitted tribalists are really reducing the quality of the forum for me. I know for sure the YAF software that wazua runs on offers an "Ignore User" feature that I could use to block out ignorant noise from my feed. Please implement it for the sake of decorum here, rather than people fighting endlessly.
Impunity
#200 Posted : Monday, February 29, 2016 12:02:59 PM
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hardwood wrote:
@wazua these dimwitted tribalists are really reducing the quality of the forum for me. I know for sure the YAF software that wazua runs on offers an "Ignore User" feature that I could use to block out ignorant noise from my feed. Please implement it for the sake of decorum here, rather than people fighting endlessly.


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