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Surealligator
#11 Posted : Thursday, November 04, 2010 10:10:22 AM
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guru267 wrote:
NBK is a joke... If anyone thinks KPLC 's restructuring (which i don't agree with) was bad then just wait for NBK's...

You will understand the true definition of dilution...


@Scooby do and Scubi da

Are you guys kinsmen or kinsladies. I love the names and variation.

@guru267

Which means the spicing up with dividends is to make the share hit 60 bob, then they off load. Did you notice NBK liquidated 4 billion worth of bonds (Read assets).

And they have no huge expansion plan or 5 yr strategy plan yet. Profits and retained earnings will hit 1.5b by year end. 3 billion will go to morgage, the rest to be advanced as loans.

This is when I make a retreat to the island at the middle of lake Baringo and do serious analysis.

If I see something like 5.5b - 3 b = 2.5

You don't give all the retained cash and profits, so let it be 1 billion to be distributed as dividends.

But Marambii is a very mean man, don't expect more than that.

EPS last time was 4.50

Issued shares are 200,000,000

1,000,000,000 / 2,000,000,000 = 5 bob.

This is too simple to be true!

Preference shares is another problem. Why were the loan defaulters who made NBK and KPLC come down necessitating the creation of Pref shares eventually never apprehended, made to pay for the pref shares and told to take a walk in the bundu.

These pref shares were paid for from citizens money. Something is not right here.
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ProverB
#12 Posted : Thursday, November 04, 2010 10:33:00 AM
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what did they do with the capitalized share holder funds? zile walichukuwa halafu wakapeana bonus shares?
(LoL..exchanging real money for paper and shareholders beam with delight! Nkt!)
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Scubidu
#13 Posted : Thursday, November 04, 2010 10:52:21 AM
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Surealligator wrote:
If the government screwed up KPLC upto 2002, then bailed it out, whose error was it, shareholders of KPLC or government appointees into KPLC? So, why is the government demanding conversion of its Pref shares into Ordinary at the rate of 1:1 instead of selling the pref shares to Ordinally shareholders in the open market and let market discovery take place? Just a thought.


@surealligator. Should the govt have let KPLC fall in 2002...KPLC's recent success is solely becoz of the govt loans and incentives. The govt seems to have got the open market value of its debt, or else how do you explain why 76 million shares are being introduced. The govt had the option to redeem the prefer shares, so why should they offer them to ordinary shareholders? Ordinary shareholders didn't bail KPLC out. They're partly offering there holding at a discount through the rights issue.

@scooby. So the govt can't do what they want in KPLC already...there's an obvious advantage for govt raising their stake above the current one.
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Wa_ithaka
#14 Posted : Thursday, November 04, 2010 11:25:35 AM
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Although I see no value in Equity buying NBK, I think it might have helped NBK shareholders for GoK to just let this go thru when JM expressed interest.
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youcan'tstopusnow
#15 Posted : Thursday, November 04, 2010 4:12:06 PM
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the deal wrote:
This is a good stock to buy but the only draw back is the preferance shares.

Then it is not a good stock to buy
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Scooby
#16 Posted : Thursday, November 04, 2010 4:25:50 PM
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Surealligator wrote:
guru267 wrote:
NBK is a joke... If anyone thinks KPLC 's restructuring (which i don't agree with) was bad then just wait for NBK's...

You will understand the true definition of dilution...


@Scooby do and Scubi da

Are you guys kinsmen or kinsladies. I love the names and variation.



Nope...
Scooby
#17 Posted : Thursday, November 04, 2010 4:30:59 PM
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Scubidu wrote:
Surealligator wrote:
If the government screwed up KPLC upto 2002, then bailed it out, whose error was it, shareholders of KPLC or government appointees into KPLC? So, why is the government demanding conversion of its Pref shares into Ordinary at the rate of 1:1 instead of selling the pref shares to Ordinally shareholders in the open market and let market discovery take place? Just a thought.


@surealligator. Should the govt have let KPLC fall in 2002...KPLC's recent success is solely becoz of the govt loans and incentives. The govt seems to have got the open market value of its debt, or else how do you explain why 76 million shares are being introduced. The govt had the option to redeem the prefer shares, so why should they offer them to ordinary shareholders? Ordinary shareholders didn't bail KPLC out. They're partly offering there holding at a discount through the rights issue.

@scooby. So the govt can't do what they want in KPLC already...there's an obvious advantage for govt raising their stake above the current one.


Scubidu,

Sometime in 2009, the government admitted that it made a mistake in giving up a majority stake in KPLC. As such, they had to form KETRACO to deal with the electricity transmission network.

For all the planned transmission projects, the government is partially funding them and the rest is funded by loans. KPLC will however manage the entire network on behalf of KETRACO.
mwanahisa
#18 Posted : Thursday, November 04, 2010 4:57:36 PM
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I have a simple philosophy on NBK. Buy below Kshs 40 (the lower the better) and sell whenever there's any excitement. In between, I pray that Govt does not announce any restructuring plans.

There will indeed be massive dilution if the Preference shares are to be redeemed.
Mali
#19 Posted : Wednesday, November 17, 2010 2:16:02 PM
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What happened? it hit 17.05Shame on you something going on....
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#20 Posted : Wednesday, November 17, 2010 2:21:46 PM
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guru267 wrote:
If anyone thinks KPLC 's restructuring (which i don't agree with) was bad then just wait for NBK's...


I think the conversion of the KPLC pref shares is the best thing to happen to shareholders of KPLC. Why do you think it's not such a good idea?

BBI will solve it
:)
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