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An unpleasant surprise from JUBILEE!!!???
VituVingiSana
#11 Posted : Sunday, October 31, 2010 7:54:57 PM
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Add TPSEA gains as well...
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
Aguytrying
#12 Posted : Sunday, October 31, 2010 10:10:29 PM
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value, deep pockets, continuously ameliorating assets (shares). Jubilee is looking really good this year. Cant wait to see FY results.
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mwanahisa
#13 Posted : Monday, November 01, 2010 11:54:30 AM
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Horton wrote:
Jub has 17m shares of DTB. DTB was at 89.50 as at dec 2009. Right now it's at 135.

135-90= 45

45*17m=765m in fair value gains which will be reflected on P&L.

Divide 765/ 50m shares and u get kshs. 15.1 per share of fair value gains just from DTB. I worked out and thus far, fair value gains on Jub investments are at about 1.2B. Let's be conservative and assume this figure to be 1B and also assume that the share prices move sideways for quoted stocks. Divide by 50m shares and that's 20bob per share. Add 15 bob for their other income(from ops and investment income aka rent, bonds etc) and you are lokking at 35 bob minimum eps.


Horton, I think you are being too optimistic. As you may know it is such high expectations that cause share price to fall when they are not met even when results are VERY good.

Not all fair value gains go to the P&L. Some of them are dealt with through reserves. If you look at the Jubilee 2008 and 2009 annual results, you will note when share prices for their portfolio fell, some of them were dealt with in that way, thus cushioning the Net profits from falling as much as they would have.

I am pegging Jubilee's EPS for 2010 at between 20 - 25. I am yet to work out a more precise figure, but I think it would be wise to temper your expectations.
guru267
#14 Posted : Monday, November 01, 2010 12:05:37 PM
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Horton wrote:
Jub has 17m shares of DTB. DTB was at 89.50 as at dec 2009. Right now it's at 135.

135-90= 45

45*17m=765m in fair value gains which will be reflected on P&L.

Divide 765/ 50m shares and u get kshs. 15.1 per share of fair value gains just from DTB. I worked out and thus far, fair value gains on Jub investments are at about 1.2B. Let's be conservative and assume this figure to be 1B and also assume that the share prices move sideways for quoted stocks. Divide by 50m shares and that's 20bob per share. Add 15 bob for their other income(from ops and investment income aka rent, bonds etc) and you are lokking at 35 bob minimum eps.


@horton I'm not so sure about a minimum EPS of 35 but I know things will be looking very good in their book with the rise of the NSE smile


The only issue I have is they may pay a FY dividend of only 5bob claiming that they are paying 100% of par value... I only hope they can couple this with a bonus issue.... Pray
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VituVingiSana
#15 Posted : Monday, November 01, 2010 1:28:37 PM
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Jubilee is very conservative but that is a good thing... they have enough sense to keep enough in reserve to buy cheap during the bad times!

Warren Buffett would have been proud to own Jubilee!
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
polymer1
#16 Posted : Monday, November 01, 2010 7:32:29 PM
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Jubilee values its investments at book value in its balance sheet.I stand corrected but this means they don't add gains to their profits.
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muganda
#17 Posted : Monday, November 01, 2010 8:06:34 PM
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@polymer1, you stand corrected. From the last annual report, on adoption of IFRS 9:
• The Group’s quoted equity investments not held for trading have been designated as at FVTOCI (fair value through other comprehensive income);
• The Group’s remaining investments in equity investments are measured at FVTPL (fair value through profit and loss);


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