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Robinhood
#11 Posted : Monday, October 04, 2010 4:00:21 PM
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@Yesuwako,

I was avoiding the tribal angle in view of the heat it generates in this forum. You are right tho... even today, the chiefs of the security apparatus in the country still come from you know where... I guess someone forgot to tell them that responsibility comes with risk...

That said, there are no good PEV killers. All are killers and Ocampo should have a field day hanging these guys by the nuts. I have particularly little sympathy for the 'offical' killers who let things deteriorate and then unleashed thugs instead of quelling the troubles within the law.

BTW, did someone say we have the capacity to prosecute the PEV killers? FYI, that cop who killed a Kisumu demonstrator in cold blood and on camera is a free man courtesy of our justice system.
Great men are not always wise, neither do the aged understand judgement...
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poundfoolish
#12 Posted : Monday, October 04, 2010 6:04:45 PM
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Location: Nairobi
Stocks aside
We've all started being stupid.. even good old elders i respected in the forum.. kila mtu sasa anaona pande yake...
We are indeed burukenges.. Mwafrika Nywele ngumu, mambo yake ngumu....

@Mukiha though you try to lean on the fence im very dissappointed at your notion with this paragraph

"However; for those of us who lived through the PEV, WE CAN SEE SOME JUSTIFICATION for the Naivasha attack in response to the one at Kiambaa. Indeed, I have heard arguments that the Naivasha incident was the reason that the PEV ended."

dont try clarifying it.. you'd come out as a politician

Truth be told every community.... KIKUYUS,LUOS,LUHYAS,KALENJINS are culprits...
However I'd expect high ranking Kikuyu and Kalenjin, then Luo in the list to be more than anybody elses.. they can go hang.. nimechoka kuhesabiwa as 'tribe' everytime justice is mentioned for the politicians....

NIMESEMA!!!!
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2012
#13 Posted : Monday, October 04, 2010 6:25:38 PM
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Location: Nairobi
This is stupidity at it's highest. These politicians are messing for these guys and maybe that's their intention. Are you really helping someone or destroying his chances when you go demonstrating on his behalf because he's been given a fair opportunity to prove his innocence?

BBI will solve it :)
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Tebes
#14 Posted : Monday, October 04, 2010 9:09:12 PM
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Shame on you
"Never regret, if its good, its wonderful. If its bad, its experience."
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Tebes
#15 Posted : Monday, October 04, 2010 9:24:49 PM
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mukiha wrote:
bepari wrote:
so kuyos were supposed to turn the other cheek, looking at the chronology of events i think kiambaa happened before naivasha;we all know they were reacting(revenge) and rightly so.if somebody picks a panga and slashes your tribesman on the basis of tribe alone,what are supposed to do?wait for your turn?....hakuna.


This where matters become complicated:

If I attacked you with a panga and you pulled out your gun and shot me dead, you would have a very good case of self defence.

If on the other hand I attacked you with the panga and injured you, then the following day you came to my house and shot and killed my brother, that would not qualify as self-defence.


Good judgement!!!

The Kiambaa attack and Naivasha revenge are seen as two independent events in the eyes of a disinterested party (Ocampo)....unless this happened in a war situation.

Now some might argue that the PEV was a war, but technically, now war was declared [even between the fighting communities], not even a state of emergency was declared.

However; for those of us who lived through the PEV,

Everyone who is alive today lived through it!!!

And indeed some lived through worst situations than Mikiha and co., I myself lost some property and was never compensated!!!

we can see some justification for the Naivasha attack in response to the one at Kiambaa.

OMG!!!

I cant believe this is coming from MUKIHA!!!!
I have always thought that this guy not only can he be a mentor but also a role model.
ANYONE guilty should face justice, be it my brother, neighbor, tribes-mate, my MP, or my HoS!!!


Indeed, I have heard arguments that the Naivasha incident was the reason that the PEV ended.

This is why I say that this is a complicated matter. I don't think it can be solved through legal means alone [ICC or local tribunal]



Please someone just tell me that we don't have a fox in sheep's skin!!! Was it a slip of the tongue?
"Never regret, if its good, its wonderful. If its bad, its experience."
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Tebes
#16 Posted : Monday, October 04, 2010 9:27:04 PM
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@ Mukiha!!!




This where matters become complicated:

If I attacked you with a panga and you pulled out your gun and shot me dead, you would have a very good case of self defence.

If on the other hand I attacked you with the panga and injured you, then the following day you came to my house and shot and killed my brother, that would not qualify as self-defence.


Good judgement!!!

The Kiambaa attack and Naivasha revenge are seen as two independent events in the eyes of a disinterested party (Ocampo)....unless this happened in a war situation.

Now some might argue that the PEV was a war, but technically, now war was declared [even between the fighting communities], not even a state of emergency was declared.

However; for those of us who lived through the PEV,

Everyone who is alive today lived through it!!!

And indeed some lived through worst situations than Mikiha and co., I myself lost some property and was never compensated!!!

we can see some justification for the Naivasha attack in response to the one at Kiambaa.

OMG!!!

I cant believe this is coming from MUKIHA!!!!
I have always thought that this guy not only can he be a mentor but also a role model.
ANYONE guilty should face justice, be it my brother, neighbor, tribes-mate, my MP, or my HoS!!!


Indeed, I have heard arguments that the Naivasha incident was the reason that the PEV ended.

This is why I say that this is a complicated matter. I don't think it can be solved through legal means alone [ICC or local tribunal]


Is this justification for the PEV? Oh my, f**k that!!!
Please someone just tell me that we don't have a fox in sheep's skin!!! Was it a slip of the tongue?Sad Sad Sad
"Never regret, if its good, its wonderful. If its bad, its experience."
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kadonye
#17 Posted : Monday, October 04, 2010 10:03:36 PM
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@Robinhood, I think we had good killers in the PEV-the police!It's easy to judge them by claiming they used excessive force but I think the police are being demonised unfairly especially when you introduce the tribal angle
What a wicked man I am!The things I want to do,I don't do.The things I don't want to do I find myself doing
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chris79
#18 Posted : Monday, October 04, 2010 10:46:43 PM
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kadonye wrote:
I think we had good killers in the PEV-the police!

I can't believe some of the stuff i'm reading here. Ati good killers! OMG can yo tell that to the mother of the young boy in Kisumu who was shot in cold blood with cameras rolling that he was killed by a "good killer?" I'm gobsmacked!
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kadonye
#19 Posted : Monday, October 04, 2010 11:11:05 PM
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chris79 wrote:
kadonye wrote:
I think we had good killers in the PEV-the police!

I can't believe some of the stuff i'm reading here. Ati good killers! OMG can yo tell that to the mother of the young boy in Kisumu who was shot in cold blood with cameras rolling that he was killed by a "good killer?" I'm gobsmacked!

@Chris, I cant believe the hypocrisy here.You are a policeman entrusted with protecting lives and property.You encounter these thugs and rapists doing their evil stuff.Will you watch or act?Truth be told there were cases of excesses like the Kisumu case which was plain wrong.By the way how many died from police shootings?less than 400!Who killed the other 700plus?...While some of you just look at the police through tribal eyes, please do not forget the reports made by eld IDPs about policemen who would taunt them 'kazi iendelee' when they sought help from them.
What a wicked man I am!The things I want to do,I don't do.The things I don't want to do I find myself doing
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chris79
#20 Posted : Tuesday, October 05, 2010 1:37:06 AM
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@kadonye, that's my point exactly. All these people are killers, there's no two ways about it...
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