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Kenya Re - Why the sluggishness
guru267
#11 Posted : Tuesday, July 27, 2010 6:08:58 PM
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2012 wrote:
My advice, buy now. Fundamentals (ya, there's that word again) are strong and the price is good. Just needs good PR a good CEO to point it in the right direction and you'll see it <25/-

@2012 i remember you giving this same advice when it was trading at 12.8 after the terrible results....
Just one question why would one buy kenya re with a p/e of 5 and ignore jubilee with a p/e of 8.5... The management of the two can't be compared and that was the reason for migration...
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kenmac
#12 Posted : Tuesday, July 27, 2010 7:48:44 PM
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@2012, any sideline interests with kenya re? You have consistently supported it.
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VituVingiSana
#13 Posted : Wednesday, July 28, 2010 9:22:32 AM
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KenRe gets 'additional' concessionary business coz it is less cumbersome to deal with one firm. After the concession monopoly ends, expect to see others slowly chip away including Africa-Re [I think Jubilee has an interest in it]
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2012
#14 Posted : Wednesday, July 28, 2010 11:53:42 AM
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guru267 wrote:
Just one question why would one buy kenya re with a p/e of 5 and ignore jubilee with a p/e of 8.5... The management of the two can't be compared and that was the reason for migration...


Jubilee is a great company but I don't see a lot of growth thee in years to come. I think a reinsurance has more potential and less risk. I also think they are starting to make the right decisions especially when they stop reinsuring Russian ships as they are cons.

BBI will solve it
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PKoli
#15 Posted : Wednesday, July 28, 2010 2:28:31 PM
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I think we Kenya Re is still agood buy, but we may have to wait a little longer to see good returns. Currently, the market is waiting to see a new CEO. Somehow this stock suffers from luck of insititutional support (few fund managers buying it). When that changes, you will see a lot of movements in the share volume and price upsurge
obiero
#16 Posted : Wednesday, July 28, 2010 3:14:33 PM
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currently the govt has sixty percent stake in kenya re. why wld it shoot itself by kickin out mandatory concessions. ama they have a plan

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winston
#17 Posted : Wednesday, July 28, 2010 4:44:20 PM
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In the spirit of liberalisation the compulsory cessions were to go. However this was to be done gradually. The first phases went on well until Kenya Re realized that they would close shop for lack of business. The government then moved in to freeze the reduction of cession
Gatheuzi
#18 Posted : Wednesday, July 28, 2010 6:47:28 PM
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obiero wrote:
currently the govt has sixty percent stake in kenya re. why wld it shoot itself by kickin out mandatory concessions. ama they have a plan


As far as I can remember the government doesn't care much about the firms it invests in. Here are examples of companies where the goverment has a stake yet some decisions taken by the goverment or its agencis are not in the best interest of the firms:

1) Safaricom - despite the government having a good chunck of shares, the CCK bring controversial anti-monopoly rules.
2) KQ - some ground in JKIA (old Embakasi if I recall clearly) give to a private investor yet KQ needed it for parking/servicing of its planes.
3)KCB - you already know of the Triton case.
4) KENGEN - finally tarrifs were adjusted but you already know how long it took.
5) KPLC - At the moment it is not a monopoly but better watch out if they become the controlling shareholders. Those mpigs in the spirit of helping the "mwananchi" may just curtail its profitability.

I can go on and on but the bottom line is when you invest with the goverment, just remember that the goverment's primary motive is not to profit - they will talk of levelling the praying field, helping "wanjiku" etc.
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guru267
#19 Posted : Wednesday, July 28, 2010 8:22:55 PM
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2012 wrote:
guru267 wrote:
Just one question why would one buy kenya re with a p/e of 5 and ignore jubilee with a p/e of 8.5... The management of the two can't be compared and that was the reason for migration...


Jubilee is a great company but I don't see a lot of growth thee in years to come. I think a reinsurance has more potential and less risk. I also think they are starting to make the right decisions especially when they stop reinsuring Russian ships as they are cons.

@2012 looks like your into this counter heavily even in the fantasy market
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Deuteronomy 4:16
youcan'tstopusnow
#20 Posted : Thursday, July 29, 2010 11:28:43 AM
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What sluggishness?
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