Hi Conos.... it depends on where Greens are leading us... (which looks like over a precipice to me)... there you need breaks man....
Another thing...
voting NO does not mean I hate this country
voting NO does not mean I love the current constitution to bits in its totality
voting NO does not mean I am an anti-reformer....
It simply means that the proposed draft is introducing issues and things which I cannot live with:
Article 2 (6) of the Proposed Constitution of Kenya (PCK), makes all conventions and treaties that have been ratified by Kenya AUTOMATICALLY part of the law of Kenya. In contrast, the Bomas, Wako and the previous drafts under this review had provisions for Parliament to approve the ratification of treaties before Kenya became a
party to them.
THERE SHOULD BE NO LEGISLATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION (This is a cardinal and fundamental rule of democracy).
Article 14 (4) of the Proposed Constitution of Kenya, presumes any child who is under the age of 8 years, whose nationality and parents are not known to be a citizen of Kenya by birth. The danger is that it gives a loophole for the borders of Kenya to be open and subject to infiltration and abuse. Article 17 (2) which is meant to check this, is insufficient in light of the realities on the ground.
Article 26 (4) Abortion
Article 26 (4) provides that abortion is not permitted unless, in the opinion of a trained health professional there is need for emergency treatment or the life or the health of the mother is in danger or if permitted by any other written law. You need to read this in the context of Article 2 (6) AND Article 43 (1)(g) as well.
Article 33- Freedom of Expression.
Freedom of artistic creativity – if not defined often ends up as a simple term for pornography.
Indeed, in the USA the Courts have used this as a ground not to restrict pornography. Why did the CoE have to remove from sub article (2), the express prohibition of pornography, as was inserted by the PSC in their draft-at Naivasha? Pornography may include public nudity and nude parties.
Secondly, there is risk given that due to the casual way these rights have been worded, we may
potentially find ourselves hindered from ever expressing our opinions on issues to do with race, sex, pregnancy, marital status, health status, ethnic or social origin, colour, age, disability, religion, conscience, belief, culture, dress and language. This has happened in countries like the UK and Canada, where even Christian preachers have been prosecuted for hate speech, for example for preaching against homosexuality, atheism etc
Check out these links on a Swedish Pastor's brush with the Law:
Mark you, this is Sweden.... did you notice that they mentioned INTERNATIONAL LAW, the one that the COE wants to entrench in the draft? Did Wanjiku ask for this... I think NOT
Pastor Jailed for Homosexuality SermonThe moral questions in this draft are not negotiable for me..... roho safi.... I am peacefully voting NO
conos wrote:if greens win they might get us green cards to US.if reds win and they get us red cards where will they take us?? afghan? somalia? iraq???????????
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