Why refuse what you can see when you cant even trust the ones who are telling you they are going to amend? This is a good document and I shall not refuse to have it when i have a chance... How do you trust one MO 1 on something he sat on for decades and decades? What makes you think that he has changed now and seen the light and wants the best for kenya and is fighting so much to ensure that this document does not go through? and so goes his right foot youth winger....

Ask yourself, why would the business community be the one fully supporting it when they can see its a bad document? Are all these guys so wrong?

I must say that I have read, understood and felt that this is a good document for our country and it has nothing to do with whether Kibaki or Raila says yes or no to it... Same thing, if you are saying NO because of Ruto or Moi or your pastor, then you are doing disservice to this country. Say NO because you have read, understood and based on that on that, you believe it is a bad document.

Soko tele that is the truth. Look at the no camp .. MOI, HIS THIEVING CHILDREN, and the church members who kicked out NJOYA not once, or twice but 4 times because he called for a constitutional overhaul and please note njoya is for the current constitution.
What rahatupu said is all true and if it hurts well the truth does hurts.
The No camp is mainly made up of anti reformers.

Njoya has been a consistent fighter, so has Koigi Wamwere who is in the NO Camp. Moi was embraced tightly when he opposed 2005 constitution and I wonder whether he was right then and wrong now. AND THAT IS THE PROBLEM, PERSONALISING THE CONSTITUTION. Njoya - and Koigi- can stand to be counted as people who have fought for reform and they are to be lauded for that, but that in no way does not suggest infinite wisdom on their part on what the right constitution for the country should be and what they say remains an opinion to me, which I, for the case of Njoya and with a lot of respect for him, choose to disagree with. It has not helped that his attacks on the church have been particularly personal and petulant. In my opinion, the current draft constitution is flawed. I want reform but not that way!

On the four 'defecting' MPS, do I gather from some posts here that all MPs are supposed to be in the YES camp?

brewer....koigi? remember that even his own constituents could not stand him.

I am not furious at the 4 defectors. I am actually very excited. Let them be known for who they are.

I remember sometime back when our former leader used to go to church and say he was Mkristo No.1....At that time..go read the horror stories from Nyayo house.

He was loved by these church leaders as Kenyans were persecuted enmasse.

You can imagine what I think of some of the so called No people who come with bibles.

As for Moi, Ruto, Jirongo...just go to Nyayo highrise and see the next estate.

I have no problem with no people who have valid issues to raise on the constitution.

But I will spare no venom for those I think are simply irrelevant, untruthful and have exhibited harm on Kenyans. That seems to be the whole No campaing leaders. Sorry, but that is the plain truth.

However, vote No if you must. Vote No with a consciense. I will support you to the very end. As I believe every Kenyan has a right to vote as they feel and live peacefully.

But don't be surprised if I think you are Anti-reform.Because you are!

@All,
There is no defection here coz as far as i can remember this two Monthly Periods (Jamleck and Mwathi) have never been on the YES side........Fact

@Rasilio i like your reasoning , we need change period.

@willin2learn

You are right. we need to be sober in this forum and respect each other.

I think the MPs defected because the 'yes' team has run out of funds. But do you expect them to behave differently?

While the 'yes' team agree there are issues in the draft that need to be sorted out (after 4th Aug), it is equally surprising that we at Wazua, are trusting the Mps ( or Mpigs -as most of us call them) to make the amendments later. Be assurred that the MPs or senators will make amendments to their own interests.(IMHO)

Strange. I asked @ rasilio whether he posts here under a different name and @Fundaah answered on his behalf!

Fundaah, i will answer on my behalf- am not Ngalaka!

To Brewer alias Ngalaka


sorry Brewer.. Shows you have a vivid imagination like your NO brethren. but I will be whoever you want me to be...You can find me at jukwaa proboards if you want to meet me. Probably not a kenyan forum for you as we require logic from the yes and no team.

People should never forget why we are where we are right now. I was in Kibera yesterday to meet a group of ladies who explained how it is not possible to go a night without women being raped. they had to form the group we want to fund.

How do I explain to these women that they need not worry, all is well. "We shall make sure there is no abortion in Kenya so that you can have happy babies from rapists who put a knife on your neck as they raped you. Amen. Sasa patia pastor sadaka yako"

this is an issue about voting for the old constitution or for the new constitution.

willin2learn is this sober enough for you?

kenya is rotting.
Kenyans burn each other in church.
Kenyans shoot each other in the back
Kenyans call corruption, the cost of doing business.
Kenyans are raping women any time of day.
Kenyan women who die are OWNED by whoever goes to court first
Kenyans are jobless and will accept 100 bob to whack your brains

Kenya leaders are thieves from Mp's to the fake clergy
Kenyans have not realised that Kenya is rotten

We need a new contract with our fellow Kenyans coz this is simply not working.

It did not work when Gama Pinto was killed, it did not work in the clashes of 92.97.2002, 2007. It did not work for the 14 year old girl on TV recently who's child died because she could not get medical help.

Tafakari hayo


If I sound annoyed with your pastor brewer, then go _ _ _ .

Remember that Jesus was sold for 30 pieces of silver. A scam that was organised by some people who called themselves "Men of God".

@ Brewer
Ati wewe ni mimi na mimi ni wewe!

Is there any need to engage fellows on that?
Negative.

What I dont know is, if your point of view and mine converge is that bad or good!

Can fellows judge views by their intellectual content or lack thereof.

Lets attempt to borrow from Martin Luther Jnr.