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Euphoria kando, consider this
Much Know
#11 Posted : Tuesday, July 06, 2010 11:01:46 AM
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What will become of the "tribesdom" of North Rift when the Provincial Administration is replaced by this County Governors? This will be done 5 years after effective date. I don't see the perennial targets of violence there (excuse the bluntness) being elected into any position of the county there where one can look after their interest, in fact their fate will lie solely in the warlike/intolerant nature of this "tribesdom" which will now be officially sanctioned. I would like anyone to give a credible argument that this will not be the case.

The same may happen in areas such as the Coast, Nyanza and Western, North Eastern. The machinery to entrench ethnic zones and divide the already difficult to unite Kenyans is all too well laid out through this constitution. In this case, IT IS ACTUALLY WORSE AND MORE DANGEROUS THAN THE OTHER ONE.

I have come to see this proposed constitution as a "mish marsh" of many impractical and dangerous ideas to please different people.
1. There shall be no state religion (to please the idealogist on separation of state and religion) but then Kadhi courts (to please muslims)
2. Every citizen has the right to enter, remain in and reside anywhere in Kenya.(to please IDP's) and then these counties(to please majimbo advocates)
3. Parliament shall enact legislation to prescribe minimum and maximum land holding acreages in respect to private land:(to please communist), Then security of land rights (to please capitalist)
e.t.c and many more illogical contradictions
Ras Kienyeji Man
Fundaah
#12 Posted : Tuesday, July 06, 2010 1:41:57 PM
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We need to do a reality check on the much-hyped issue of land and how it relates to the draft constitution. Contrary to common perceptions, the majority of private large-scale farms are not owned by locals. They are owned by foreigners, either individually or by multinational companies. Anybody who has travelled the length and breadth of this country should know that.

There is no need to spell out the names of the owners, be they of plantation companies, individual-owned commercial farms and ranches, and so-called game “conservancies’’. We all know them. These foreigners normally watch quietly as ignorant politicians incite peasants to kill each other over tiny plots of land that, in the scheme of things, amount to very little.

These owners have a lobby group called the Kenya Land Owners’ Association (Kela) which pushes for their interests (it has the usual token Africans). This Kela has not been shy about entering the constitution battle to push for the removal of clauses they consider detrimental to their interests.

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http://www.nation.co.ke/...0/-/i2kif6z/-/index.html
Isaiah 65:17-Look! I am creating new heavens and a new earth, and no one will even think about the old ones anymore
B.Timer
#13 Posted : Tuesday, July 06, 2010 3:28:12 PM
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I read Gitau Warigi on Sunday;
Hopeless article.
Insinuating that as long as it affects them and not us then its ok.

The only question should be; Is it a good or bad law.
I guess mugabe started that way.
Dunia ni msongamano..
B.Timer
#14 Posted : Thursday, July 15, 2010 10:33:57 AM
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Mutahi Ngunyi on K24 last evening, he had some very interesting things to say about the transition period WHEN the proposed constitution comes into force.

The period between the effective date, and the next elections is a potentially volatile as pertains the political leadership of this nation.

If that be the case, then the drafters of the document slept on the job insofar as this is concerned.

In a nut shell, amongst other issues, Mutahi opined that if Kibaki were out of the scene during this period, then the other Principle assumes the executive mantle!!!

Assuming it to be true, how would PNU like that!!!
Dunia ni msongamano..
Fundaah
#15 Posted : Thursday, July 15, 2010 10:58:45 AM
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To quote Njoki ....Proverbs 9:5: “A false witness will not go unpunished, and he who breathes out lies will not escape”.


http://wazua.co.ke/forum.aspx?g=posts&t=7466
Isaiah 65:17-Look! I am creating new heavens and a new earth, and no one will even think about the old ones anymore
funnyguy
#16 Posted : Thursday, July 15, 2010 3:35:42 PM
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@B.Timer,
Thanks for the thought-provoking read. I'm just curious, assuming that the draft goes through, how long will it take to amend the contentious issues? Does anyone know?

Out of the very valid points you’ve raised I think there are some things that we can live with in the short term . . . but not in the long term. For instance, I know that the draft grants citizenship to “A child found in Kenya who is, or appears to be, less than eight years of age, and whose nationality and parents are not known”. This is a serious loophole that can lead to child-trafficking or millions of ‘illegitimate citizens’ . . . consider the multitude of displaced kids from Somalia, Southern Sudan, Northern Uganda and Southern Ethiopia who fit the above description and would ‘love’ to be Kenyan citizens. If it takes the next 20 years to amend the provision . . . well, your guess is as good as mine as far as what our national fiber and identity will be.
Fundaah
#17 Posted : Thursday, July 15, 2010 3:55:54 PM
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Funnyguy...Pls be kind enough to tell us that the citizenship can be revoked if the child parentage becomes known, there was fraud,or childs age becomes known

Revocation of citizenship
17. (1) If a person acquired citizenship by registration, the citizenship may be
revoked if—

(a) the person acquired the citizenship by fraud, false representation or
concealment of any material fact;

(2) The citizenship of a person who was presumed be a citizen by birth, as
contemplated in Article 14 (4), may be revoked if––

(a) the citizenship was acquired by fraud, false representation or
concealment of any material fact by any person;
(b) the nationality or parentage of the person becomes known, and
reveals that the person was a citizen of another country; or
(c) the age of the person becomes known, and reveals that the person was
older than eight years when found in Kenya
Isaiah 65:17-Look! I am creating new heavens and a new earth, and no one will even think about the old ones anymore
funnyguy
#18 Posted : Thursday, July 15, 2010 4:08:21 PM
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@Fundaah, thanks for that. I hope the revocation is practical and enforceable.
Fundaah
#19 Posted : Thursday, July 15, 2010 4:12:56 PM
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Funnyguy you are most welcome...please pass this message to anyone who may be opposing the draft based on this point...let everyone know this...the citizenship of such child can be revoked....if anyone challenges you...bring it here and we can help you....
Isaiah 65:17-Look! I am creating new heavens and a new earth, and no one will even think about the old ones anymore
funnyguy
#20 Posted : Thursday, July 15, 2010 4:40:30 PM
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@Fundaah. What's your response to the issues raised by @B.Timer?
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