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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/16/2007 Posts: 1,320
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@ All, I suggest that we are all governed by a moral law called conscience. This conscience brings to us an awareness of what is right and what is wrong... I wonder.... can an evolutionary process produce a Conscience ? Where is this moral law from ? Does it have an author ?
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 1,982 Location: matano manne
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@Mtu Biz, don't try to upgrade this particular case to a philosophical issue, this is open and shut. CRIMINAL< HORRIBLE, ABOMINABLE< WRONG, IMMORAL irrespective of any school of thought period.
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/30/2009 Posts: 141
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Mtu Biz, I get where you are going. However, I believe this conscience thing is the part of our brain that is the old brain. I got this quote from a research paper for you. Mind you its new research on our brain and how it works and its long. So bear with me.... it assumes that our brains are in 3 sections, old brain, mid brain and new brain.Code:You are driving in your car (old brain is moving muscles, scanning the road, new brain is processing visual data and talking to the old brain so that you stay between the lines), and you are thinking about an argument you had with your brother over the weekend (new brain is remembering the argument, mid brain is reliving the argument emotionally).
You are, after the fact,thinking about the things you should have said, but didn’t. You feel upset that you didn’t defend yourself (mid brain feeling upset, new brain thinking about
things to say, old brain still driving the car).
Suddenly, a car in front of you brakes (old brain notices that something has changed that needs attention, old brain floods system with hormones to heighten your ability to fight or flee, old brain has you slam on brakes, mid brain feels scared that you almost had an accident and relieved that you didn’t, new brain analyzes situation and thinks about what you might have
done differently).
While you drive the rest of the way home, you relive the near miss (new brain plays the memory over and over, mid brain feels the emotions again).
You decide not to be angry with your brother any more, life is too short(mid brain feels forgiving and happy, new brain makes decision to call
brother on phone, but decides to wait until you get home since talking on a cell phone while driving may not be a good idea right now, old brain is still driving the car). In view of your challenge.We are reacting because of old brain. A woman's primary objective is to give birth and multiply. A man's primary objective is to protect its offspring. We reacted with horror not because of our religion or conscience but because A Child was killed. We could not protect the child. Our new brain or conscience is where we are now arguing on how wrong or immoral this whole issue is. So to answer you, right or wrong depends on our primary human objectives of food, shelter(safety) and sex(procreation). In this case, we are all not sure we have protected our kids enough (shelter) that is why our new brain tells us to hang this guy before it happens to our own kids and feel the pain in the mid brain. Hata wakizima taa
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Rank: Member Joined: 7/11/2008 Posts: 401
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theman192000 is now looking (sic) at nanfor1 in a new light.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 5/4/2008 Posts: 1,703
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he had a target of killing 100 people,17 gone 83 remaining,targets women mostly coz they are vulnerable.am so worried,and confession to media and police is no evidence,unless he confesses before a magistrate.am so worried especially if there is a situation where they let him go for lack of evidence.  Think Positive Test Negative
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Rank: Member Joined: 8/19/2009 Posts: 173 Location: NAIROBI
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@Carygoh,
They should take him to a magistrate for confession. Otherwise if the guy is out for lack of evidence, street justice will do.The guy is cornered. He can't just escape.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 1,982 Location: matano manne
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@Carygoh@Noble, whatever happens the guys days are numbered. As critical as it is that he may go free for "lack of evidence" .... I'd strangle him with my bare hands and teeth if need be. Hatoboi!
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Rank: New-farer Joined: 2/18/2010 Posts: 94 Location: Nairobi
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Rahatupu wrote:@Carygoh@Noble, whatever happens the guys days are numbered. As critical as it is that he may go free for "lack of evidence" .... I'd strangle him with my bare hands and teeth if need be. Hatoboi! as witnessed jana, the public is already baying for his blood. for the sake of the so called human rights, they had better lock him away for eternity otherwise.....
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Rank: Elder Joined: 5/30/2009 Posts: 1,390
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Onyancha claims he is a member of a cult which has such satanic rituals. He strangles his victims then bites their necks and sucks blood...This is satanism at its worst. And he has power over kids and women,all he needs is to shake their hands and his power draws them to him Let us pray....  What a wicked man I am!The things I want to do,I don't do.The things I don't want to do I find myself doing
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Rank: Member Joined: 4/19/2010 Posts: 227 Location: Nairobi
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Listening to him talk yesterday, i just feel like he wants the recognition. He's lived all his life as a nobody and now the "world" can finally hear about him. If he was genuinely in a cult, he would be more secretive...he makes me think of vampires.(probably something he saw on T.V) ati sucking the blood at the neck. It sounds so fake.
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/30/2009 Posts: 141
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come on guys...do you believe the crap he's telling about accomplices, cults, recruitment, special powers etc....its all hog wash. If you believe in people having powers to make you do things then you are implying that you are not responsible for your actions. he's a serial killer in the public limelight. He will say anything you want to hear and more. He's a serial killer plain and simple and does it for whatever reason YOU want to hear. Scaring him by saying he will be jailed, hanged, shot, beaten up does not work with the fellow. But if you remove the cameras from his face, then he will be worried. He knows he's important because you all want to know are the other 15 victims. They may be real or imagined. Only he knows and he will milk every ounce of pleasure from this. . Hata wakizima taa
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Rank: New-farer Joined: 2/18/2010 Posts: 94 Location: Nairobi
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The most sickening thing is he actually does not seem like he minds what he did! Am also thinking he is just an attention seeking psychopath! revelling in all that media attention, and he seems to love it. I shiver to imagine he'd have cntinued if not caught.
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Rank: Member Joined: 4/19/2010 Posts: 227 Location: Nairobi
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nanfor1 wrote:come on guys...do you believe the crap he's telling about accomplices, cults, recruitment, special powers etc....its all hog wash. If you believe in people having powers to make you do things then you are implying that you are not responsible for your actions.
he's a serial killer in the public limelight. He will say anything you want to hear and more.
He's a serial killer plain and simple and does it for whatever reason YOU want to hear. Scaring him by saying he will be jailed, hanged, shot, beaten up does not work with the fellow. But if you remove the cameras from his face, then he will be worried.
He knows he's important because you all want to know are the other 15 victims. They may be real or imagined. Only he knows and he will milk every ounce of pleasure from this. . My point excatly..
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/7/2010 Posts: 282 Location: Nairobi
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Could it be that we have serial killers in our midst?
According to the man's 'confessions', if plausible, then the answer to the question above is frighteningly YES.
The man seemed to have been recruited into satanism and was 'under powers' and orders to kill more people in order to acquire more destructive powers.
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Rank: Member Joined: 7/11/2008 Posts: 401
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I've just read the article on Onyancha in today's Daily Nation and it makes reference to a tumor the size of an orange at the back of his head.
From the television footage, I had wondered what the bump on his head was and initially thought it was an injury sustained due to the nature of his work as a security guard.
Can anyone proffer a medical opinion on whether such a tumor could have a bearing on his actions?
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 10/17/2008 Posts: 1,234
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nanfor1 wrote:come on guys...do you believe the crap he's telling about accomplices, cults, recruitment, special powers etc....its all hog wash. If you believe in people having powers to make you do things then you are implying that you are not responsible for your actions.
he's a serial killer in the public limelight. He will say anything you want to hear and more.
He's a serial killer plain and simple and does it for whatever reason YOU want to hear. Scaring him by saying he will be jailed, hanged, shot, beaten up does not work with the fellow. But if you remove the cameras from his face, then he will be worried.
He knows he's important because you all want to know are the other 15 victims. They may be real or imagined. Only he knows and he will milk every ounce of pleasure from this. . @nanfor For once am with you on this 100%. The journalists should stop giving this guy the limelight he is craving for. They should report on the matter but not interview the murderer! - can you imagine how these interviews are sickening to the relatives of the murdered?
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/9/2007 Posts: 420 Location: Nairobi
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and ati he mostly kills on the 6th? Guys. Bet he is trying to protray he is demented. But wapi this guy plans his moves kabisa. Yeah the bump on his head is suspect. My worry: if in court he is found to be sick do they atapelekwa mathare ama kamiti ama ni capital punishment?
Opinion is free, truth is sacred.
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/30/2009 Posts: 141
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@theman sorry again for the long post. Scientists have differing opinions on whether serial killers are created because of physical or mental shortcomings. The idea that tomurs or brain damage got more airplay because of John Wayne Gacey who had a blood clot in his brain as a child. he killed some 32 boys by the way. The truth is no one has proved it one way or the other. Ted Bundy was a very handsome well educated fellow. Others such Fred West and Rose West were upstanding members of the society. However, when looking at the psychology of psychopaths, it is noted that they have a poorly developed mid brain. There is a section in your brain called the amygdala. This section lights up when we have emotional issues to deal with. But the rate of this activity is less in psychopaths. Please note psychopaths are not necessarily serial killers. Serial Killers are a breed unto themselves. A psychopath just doesn't have any emotional attachment to anyone. They only do things to their own advantage and damn you all. It is treatable though. A serial killer on the other hand...well no one knows if they care about their victims. No one can claim to be able to treat them as they just have the urge to kill something. Remember that they are liars in nature and lure their victims by gaining their trust. So how can anyone believe what they say? One thing is for sure though, they are not devil worshipers but will tell you they are. A devil worshiper believes in the existence of God. A serial killer has no opinion one way or the other. Hata wakizima taa
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 5/8/2007 Posts: 885
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folks, don't forget this bugger was asking and receiving ransom to release the kidnapped children and women. I honestly think he is nothing more than a low level kidnapper whose primary motive was to enrich his sorry behind. he probably killed to protect himself, not because he derived any pleasure from the act. he knows he's cornered so wants to escape via the 'insanity' route. huyu anafaa tyre tu...
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/7/2007 Posts: 11,935 Location: Nairobi
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For once,i thought i was watching Antony Hopkins in Silence of the lambs or as Hannibal Lecter from the movie Hannibal........this serial killer should be carefully profiled by all means even if it means "importing" experts. Nothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm.
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