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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2007 Posts: 8,776 Location: Cameroon
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@gg, nice analysis. Quite a tricky situation that can easily trigger a regional arms contest amid serious basic challenges like poverty, energy crisis, minimal developmental expenditure n famine. @bk, I feel you are contradicting yourself. TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
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Rank: Chief Joined: 8/24/2009 Posts: 5,909 Location: Nairobi
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I have noted with concern the way UG goes about dominating Kenyans, and it looks like it was planned long time ago...the day Uganda sent military to L. Victoria and Baks did NOTHING!! I realised that they may be superior to us, and Baks knows that...the conspiracy theory was that M7 could do anything, otherwise he would expose some contribution during 2007/2008....he had arm-twisted our prezzo
UG has now began dominating us in football, and even one of the long distance running....our dominance is threatened! Our military guys need to go back to the drawing board, especially with the potential enemies superiority increasing by the day...UG military is involved in Somalia, and supposedly have more military men than Kenya...they are continuously "practicing" while in Mogadishu, what are we doing?
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/7/2010 Posts: 1,279 Location: nbi
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I think some of us need to wake up and smell the coffee beans. Jest saying. Ug will not take Kenya on in a war anytime soon. We need to cut this "enemies in the dark" BS, cut military spending and switch it to productive activities like eh -make sure we feed ourselves -create R&D greenfields into cheap solar power utilisation; variety of drought resistant products -put the infrastructure in place (expand JKIA, Wilson, county airports; electricity; water supply)to turn Nairobi into the financial hub of Africa -put money into our health services -turn Kenya into the ICT hub of Africa. After we are done with the above, maybe we can look at military spending. Priorities first then luxuries thereafter The Governor of Nyeri - 2017
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Rank: Chief Joined: 8/24/2009 Posts: 5,909 Location: Nairobi
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@Wabushes, no one refutes that, but security is paramount, you can build all that, and it is bombed in a day
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2007 Posts: 8,776 Location: Cameroon
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@wa-bushes, of course that is the correct, best strategy, if it is Kikwete who procured them weapons. It is one thing for france/UK to own nuclear weapons; bt a different ball game in totality were Gaddafi to own the same! TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/22/2008 Posts: 1,139
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nostoppingthis wrote:I have noted with concern the way UG goes about dominating Kenyans, and it looks like it was planned long time ago...the day Uganda sent military to L. Victoria and Baks did NOTHING!! I realised that they may be superior to us, and Baks knows that...the conspiracy theory was that M7 could do anything, otherwise he would expose some contribution during 2007/2008....he had arm-twisted our prezzo
UG has now began dominating us in football, and even one of the long distance running....our dominance is threatened! Our military guys need to go back to the drawing board, especially with the potential enemies superiority increasing by the day...UG military is involved in Somalia, and supposedly have more military men than Kenya...they are continuously "practicing" while in Mogadishu, what are we doing? While I agree to some of your statement,we also need to realise that our real enemies not UG and kenya wont go to war with UG anytime soon as long as they are located where they are in the africa map.They need us more that we need them and their economy depends on us whether they discover oil or not. I do agree that we need to heavily finance our military but this cannot be done when people are hungry and with the expensive constitution you people passed (I voted NO),it will be a tall order to move ahead with the scarce resources we have unless we also discover the black gold in Lake Turkana !! "You're not supposed to be so blind with patriotism that you can't face reality. Wrong is wrong, no matter who says it". Malcolm X
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2007 Posts: 8,776 Location: Cameroon
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Instruments of NATIONAL POWER: 1. Geographical 2. Population (size, will, unity?) 3. Political (includes diplomatic ties), 4. Economic 5. Military. Well, I guess we are well cushioned by the first four... TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 1,982 Location: matano manne
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Burning Spear wrote:nostoppingthis wrote:I have noted with concern the way UG goes about dominating Kenyans, and it looks like it was planned long time ago...the day Uganda sent military to L. Victoria and Baks did NOTHING!! I realised that they may be superior to us, and Baks knows that...the conspiracy theory was that M7 could do anything, otherwise he would expose some contribution during 2007/2008....he had arm-twisted our prezzo
UG has now began dominating us in football, and even one of the long distance running....our dominance is threatened! Our military guys need to go back to the drawing board, especially with the potential enemies superiority increasing by the day...UG military is involved in Somalia, and supposedly have more military men than Kenya...they are continuously "practicing" while in Mogadishu, what are we doing? While I agree to some of your statement,we also need to realise that our real enemies not UG and kenya wont go to war with UG anytime soon as long as they are located where they are in the africa map.They need us more that we need them and their economy depends on us whether they discover oil or not. I do agree that we need to heavily finance our military but this cannot be done when people are hungry and with the expensive constitution you people passed (I voted NO),it will be a tall order to move ahead with the scarce resources we have unless we also discover the black gold in Lake Turkana !! . @Burning, we need Ugandans just as much as they need us, they are after all our largest trading partners. We cannot hold them hostage over the Mombasa, did you know that it takes far less days to transport a container from Port Elizabeth/Durban to Kampala than Msa-Kampala? The South Africans are aggressively wooing Ug to use Durban to export its oil. That we must invest heavily in our military cannot be gainsaid. We have a very thin military that could not decisively prevent the escalation of violence during the PEV period. What must be done? 1. Mass recruitment into the military we need over 100,000 men and women. Ethiopia has the largest numbers in the region. 2. Modernize or military especially on the technological front. 3. Take a more proactive even confrontational approach in regional security matters e.g Somalia. 4. Project Kenya as a regional power not only economically but also militarily.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/1/2009 Posts: 2,436
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@Rahatupu, they are modernising.Quietly. @Simonkabz, I believe some of the Sukhoi's have already been delivered; M7 arm-twisted the Ug. Parliment into rubber-stamping the very inflated purchases of these 4th generation fighters. It will be violating Kenyan airspace but I don't put it beyond M7 to send the fighters travelling at Mach 2-plus streaking across Kenyan terriory to run sorties against Al-Shabaab in support of since Ug troops in AMISOM in Somalia who can now be able to call in air cover... BTW, a Sukhoi such as this costs about USD 54m (say KShs 4.5b at KShs/USD 83)enough to pay for our Free Prim. Edu budget for a year...ha! According to the latest data from the Stockholm Institute of International Peace Research Institute annual database, and its Military Balance report, Kenya has the smallest army in the region: Eritrea - has 201,750 troops DR Congo -151,251 Ethiopia - 38,000 Sudan - 190,300 Uganda -45,000 Rwanda - 33,000 Tanzania - 27,000 KENYA - 24,000Burundi at 17,000 (figures from Burundi, though, indicate its army is 29,000 strong). Despite that, Kenya trumps all these countries in defence spending, at $735 million annually and rising. This is equivalent to 2.1 per cent of Kenya’s $35 billion GDP. Analysts say most of this money has gone to upgrading military capability — which was becoming obsolete — and force readiness .... E.A's Quiet Arms Race. http://www.theeastafrica...8/-/o3915fz/-/index.html
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/24/2011 Posts: 407 Location: Nairobi,Kenya
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if those figures quoted are true,then for sure our military strategist are sound asleep.the fact that our past ministers of defence included the likes of njenga wananinchi karume,shows the seriousness of the situation.However one should note that despite the small number,our military is the most proffesional in the region.I have had the opportunity of visiting some military contingents in one peacekeeping mission and I can tell you our military contigent outshone the rest in terms of displine and proffesionalism Hope is not a strategy
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