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Wa_ithaka
#11 Posted : Friday, April 30, 2010 2:02:40 PM
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I think the days of writing the constitution are now over. We can't afford more time. Or money on writing. We can not be like an infant who forevers wants to nyonya. I find the warrior a particularly hypocritical example of this given he is then who co-wrote the constitution review act; was at PSC suggesting among others the presidential system and yet once the document is written, he waits for RAO to take position so he can take the opposite.


In any case, all that remains is for me to take the katiba, read it, discuss its merits and de-merits with others who've read it, take my voting card and head to the booth come the appointed day.

The Governor of Nyeri - 2017
B.Timer
#12 Posted : Friday, April 30, 2010 3:25:21 PM
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@Moongazer

Your effort here is akin to romancing a stone!!!

I appreciate that, yours are real issues, In fact personally I am so persuaded.
But looking at your discourse above, especillly with @Alma... ngumu sana.

Politicians are happy that we dont really put them to task to deliver. If we did they would be wary to so casually present us a draft with such loose ends.

Who will call them to account.
Dunia ni msongamano..
masukuma
#13 Posted : Saturday, May 01, 2010 7:54:39 AM
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@All,
Let me refresh your memory, was the Wako draft better than the current constitution? Did it have benefits? The the Land section was copied word for word from the Bomas Draft and should be exactly the same with what we have now in the CoE draft it had provisions for dual citizenship, it had expressly said that the president was under the law e.t.c. WAS IT BETTER than the Lancaster house constitution? YES. Was it 80% Good? Could it be ammended (with provisions similar to what we have now in the CoE drafti)? ...same answer as now - YES everyone agreed including ODM on that. so why did it fail? Because people did not want 20% Bad (the Poison analogy came from ODM).
The Reason it failed is because the Noisy and flamboyant politicians were on one side skillfully changed a point of reference to the BOMAS draft and I remember the words on Mutula Kilonzo "If the Wako draft does not pass, we will NOT HAVE A CONSTITUTIONAL VACUUM". I can remember akina Kalonzo using provisions of Article 35 of the wako draft to say it aided abortions by giving women rights to REPRODUCTIVE Health.
POLITICIANS are just a mirror image of Kenyans (we chose them coz we think they represent our aspirations).
Say NO! to break this hold.
All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
Much Know
#14 Posted : Saturday, May 01, 2010 9:41:08 AM
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No! I will vote no, but I am tired of arguing, this is like arguing against the inclusion of the old section 2a of the constitution where Moi had the whole country under a spell, they voted 99% in parliament and the raia agreed. But out of conviction i will vote No! Even if my vote is the only no!
Ras Kienyeji Man
Moongazer
#15 Posted : Sunday, May 02, 2010 5:33:46 AM
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@Much Know

Don’t worry, this are very early days. History of Kenya polls shows that huge shifts can occur right at the end of a campaign. Remember one Jindo Matiba who flew in at the last minute and still managed with his Ford Asili to quickly build up popularity to come a close second. Many believe that had those elections been held say two weeks later, Matiba would have appropriated all the votes that went to Kibaki and would have won handily. Also recall that some few months to the last elections, polls were showing Kalonzo to be the most popular presidential candidate only for tables to be turned on him within weeks and he ended up distant third.

My reading of the current NO/YES campaign is that it will take a similar trend. The current strong showing of YES in the polls is simply a blind echo of the Kibaki & Raila position by virtue of their being first off the block. It’s telling that the same polls admit that majority have not read the draft! The only two groups that appear to be quite solidly behind the draft are the Muslims who are in defense of Kadhi Courts and a certain part of Nyanza. The rest (majority) of Kenya is up for grabs!

The Yes campaign is exhibiting serious weaknesses by focusing on hitting at individuals campaigning for NO, framing the current debate as the draft versus existing constitution which it is not, and by calling the clergy names such as crooks, liars and ignoramuses which only serves to fire them up. Contrast this with the NO campaigns focus on reiterating what they see as wrong with the draft. It is telling that the Yes campaign attempts to portray abortion as a gender as opposed to a life/morality issue has fallen right down on its face! The YES appears to be out of ammunition.

So don’t worry @ Much Know, your NO vote will end up having a lot of company and will in all probability carry the day!
famooz
#16 Posted : Sunday, May 02, 2010 7:14:33 AM
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Some insights on this thread are very brilliant.

I think that i have said on a different thread that i do not understand why the 2 principals make it look like it is now or Never.We know what the contentious issues are,why can't they be agreed upon/ find a way of getting everyone on board? - it is not like people are asking for the whole bl****y draft to be reviewed.
Much Know
#17 Posted : Sunday, May 02, 2010 7:25:33 AM
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Thanks moongazer, i hope in the end sense will reign and the constitution will reflect the true will of the people, no to kadhi courts!
Ras Kienyeji Man
Jaina
#18 Posted : Sunday, May 02, 2010 8:44:14 AM
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Ladies And Gents

Why are you wasting too much time arguing. Everyone is right, its all to do with your interests. Read On,...if you had'nt

http://www.nation.co.ke/.../-/b5f10ez/-/index.html
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