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This community is made up of a bunch of hypocrites
bird_man
#11 Posted : Wednesday, April 14, 2010 4:22:20 PM
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This site should be re-named.....Mashada.com would do!
Formally employed people often live their employers' dream & forget about their own.
masukuma
#12 Posted : Wednesday, April 14, 2010 4:32:58 PM
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Location: Nairobi
statements such as "Church leaders: Go to hell!!!" are the hate speech!!
All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
wazua
#13 Posted : Wednesday, April 14, 2010 5:47:39 PM
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Joined: 11/19/2009
Posts: 679
Dear Members,

We believe Wazua can express diverse opinions respectfully. If emotions override restraint as relates to our ongoing constitutional debates, we will have no option but to intervene.

Welcome to Wazua
the sage
#14 Posted : Thursday, April 15, 2010 6:24:32 AM
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Joined: 11/20/2008
Posts: 367
@ Wazua, I agree, live and let live.
aemathenge
#15 Posted : Thursday, April 15, 2010 7:10:50 AM
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Joined: 10/18/2008
Posts: 3,434
Location: Kerugoya
@Alma,
You are sunshine on a cold rainy day,
The voice of sanity in an a mad house,
The sugar in my honey,
Your command of the english language is a pleasure to behold.

@Alma,
Such is the profound pity that you and your elk do not sit in the Justice and Truth Commission, all such a lofty outfit.

I was begining to lose faith in Wazua land. Thank you for showing that in the bedlam that Kenya is becoming, we do have people who are willing and able to stand up and clearly say "stop this maddness".

You have made my day.

May the Lord Almighty, whoever you passive Him to be, pour abundant blessings into your world and upon those that you love and care for.
masukuma
#16 Posted : Thursday, April 15, 2010 7:51:04 AM
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Location: Nairobi
We live in a world where people are just too scared to stand up for what they believe in. too willing to hold hands and singing 'Kumbayah', ignorant of the real world we live in and there by playing right into the court of their enemies.
For a time is coming when people will no longer listen to sound and wholesome teaching. They will follow their own desires and will look for teachers who will tell them whatever their itching ears want to hear.
The clamor for political correctness is seeping through our veins. But there will be a few who will peddle the stinging message of things gone bad and will not be cowed by the Juggernaut of intolerance to their speech.
believe it or not we are all not FRIENDS.
All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
poundfoolish
#17 Posted : Thursday, April 15, 2010 8:23:28 AM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 12/2/2009
Posts: 2,458
Location: Nairobi
Masukuma..

lets take a hypothetical situation. cos i really need to understand you.
Lets say the draft constituition does pass..
1. Please align the steps you are going to make including literature you will use to convince kenyans this constitution is bad.
2.What steps are you going to take after lets say the country votes YES
3. would you term yourself a radical for christianity/Christ.

What am simply asking is...are you ready to fight and die for what you believe in?..and i mean only, in the context of this discussion and the draft constitution
Jangwa la Jangili
#18 Posted : Thursday, April 15, 2010 8:58:59 AM
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Joined: 10/9/2009
Posts: 311
Two terms that often confuse us:

1. Freedom of Speech -
"The right, guaranteed by the Constitution, to communicate ideas and opinions without government intervention."

You have a right to hold and freely express an opinion contrary to mine.

2. Hate Speech
"Speech not protected by the Constitution, because it is intended to foster hatred against individuals or groups based on race, religion, gender, sexual preference, place of national origin, or other improper classification."

Thus, the argument against Kadhi's courts in itself is NOT hate speech. It is the REASON why someone is against the courts that would make it hate speech or intolerance.

E.g. (and without dwelling on the merits/demerits of the arguments themselves) if I say Kadhi's courts are inappropriate because this elevates one religion above the rest, that is NOT hate speech.

But if I say Kadhi's courts are part of a wider scheme by the Muslims to introduce Sharia Law nationwide (beheading, amputations, stoning etc), that may border on hate speech.

Invoking the right to freedom of speech/expression can and is often abused. But so is use of the term intolerance and hate speech in silencing unpopular opinions.

Granted the line marking intolerance territory is often very grey. But there is no need for people to get all rabid in their positions for or against. After all, you only have one vote and you will either vote YES or NO. Wacha debe iamue.
Katika Jangwa la Jangili ndipo Pwagu hupata Pwaguzi.
Fundaah
#19 Posted : Thursday, April 15, 2010 9:09:23 AM
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Joined: 11/19/2008
Posts: 1,267
Masukuma

Matthew 5:9

Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called sons of God.
Isaiah 65:17-Look! I am creating new heavens and a new earth, and no one will even think about the old ones anymore
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