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Why is KCB on a decline?
sparkly
#11 Posted : Tuesday, February 16, 2010 7:28:21 PM
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gatoho wrote:
Why is KCB's price going down when everyone else is rising? I still wonna add to mine to even out for ones i got @ 28 ages ago.. Does someone know something i don;t or is a speculator pushing it down then to buy loads?

@gatoho with the benefit of your dialogue with vvs, the answer is very simple- demand vs supply. The company is fundamentally sound but even a good company takes a beating now and then. Of course You reduce your risks when you buy low.
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kyt
#12 Posted : Tuesday, February 16, 2010 7:34:08 PM
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i dont the bad debts are a big threat to KCB in the long run, it is one of the few backs whose assets exceeds its loans. very sound standing by kenyan banking standards
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gatoho
#13 Posted : Tuesday, February 16, 2010 10:01:57 PM
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You got me there @ Vitu. Yeah I meant bid but as you can see I am In Kandara so abit behind though in the village Am Chief!
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VituVingiSana
#14 Posted : Wednesday, February 17, 2010 7:39:35 AM
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kyt wrote:
i dont the bad debts are a big threat to KCB in the long run, it is one of the few backs whose assets exceeds its loans. very sound standing by kenyan banking standards

Wow!
1) When a bank makes a loan, it is an asset in its books... not a liability...
2) Which banks' assets do not exceed the loans given out?

People... how can you make a statement that claims "one of the few backs whose assets exceeds its loans" without proof???
[BTW, kyt wrote 'backs' & I copied it verbatim but I think s/he meant banks]

A bank whose gross loans > assets is BANKRUPT...
@kyt - So please tell me those that are NOT "one of the few backs whose assets exceeds its loans"?
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cnn
#15 Posted : Wednesday, February 17, 2010 8:16:23 AM
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@vvs,hope you never dream of being a lecturer or something in that line.You seem to have little patience for persons showing the slightest knowledge gap or at least showing it.
VituVingiSana
#16 Posted : Wednesday, February 17, 2010 8:21:54 AM
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cnn wrote:
@vvs,hope you never dream of being a lecturer or something in that line.You seem to have little patience for persons showing the slightest knowledge gap or at least showing it.

@cnn - I enjoy teaching but there has to be some effort from the 'learner'.

If you ask, I will try to answer... I remember a LONG answer for a question on KPLC & Mumias... and electricity transmission...

Lakini, if ur comments are ovyo ovyo... Implying that most banks in Kenya have loans > assets is not true & shows lack of basic research...

Investing means taking an interest. NSE provides results (pdf) for listed firms. Download them...
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chaliwong
#17 Posted : Wednesday, February 17, 2010 6:53:42 PM
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Interest income is actually why banks are doing this business.

A bank without Assets(loans) is in the wrong business, and a bank that is lending non perfoming loans is at risk of shutting down as its not only LOOSING interest income but at risk of loosing its depositors money(Liabilities).

And is it just coincidental that KCB has been lending to this companies that are folding up?

The lending of huge amounts by banks to coporates is through the advice of Coporate managers of the bank. They have been doing a shoddy job in accessing the credit worthiness of these companies.

I want to believe and also Pray that they are at the top of the list of 1000 that are going home.
VituVingiSana
#18 Posted : Thursday, February 18, 2010 2:38:28 PM
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@chali - I think the under-performing Loan Book at KCB is historical i.e. KCB has been lending to them for years & are unable to extricate themselves out of the mess.

With time, KCB should learn to control these 'bad' borrowers. I hope...
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Wendz
#19 Posted : Friday, February 19, 2010 10:26:52 AM
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@vvs

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KCB loan book has huge amounts of poorly performing debts... We had Uchumi, then Triton now Panpaper, kesho KPC...


Uchumi is out of the woods, at least there is nothing to worry about there.

Triton - KCB is well covered with the securities that were charged and of which some have already been sold - nothing much to worry about.

Panpaper - in all these, even if they go bad, the bank is only affected if it cant realise its owed amount through the securities it is holding....
VituVingiSana
#20 Posted : Friday, February 19, 2010 11:10:42 AM
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Wendz wrote:
@vvs

Quote:
KCB loan book has huge amounts of poorly performing debts... We had Uchumi, then Triton now Panpaper, kesho KPC...

Uchumi is out of the woods, at least there is nothing to worry about there.

Triton - KCB is well covered with the securities that were charged and of which some have already been sold - nothing much to worry about.

Panpaper - in all these, even if they go bad, the bank is only affected if it cant realise its owed amount through the securities it is holding....

I was just showing the history... It's like they have a bad surprise for us every year!

I agree on Uchumi.

Coz of GoK, KCB will be OK on KPC though I am not sure 100% about Triton (well, those loans/amounts not covered by KPC)...

PanPaper might be a loss coz except for paper stocks... there is little value to the other securities including the outdated plant/factory. And who cares about industrial land in Webuye?
Unless GoK 'insures/guarantees' KCB for PanPaper, there is trouble in the air...
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