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Buying patterns of foreign investors.
Much Know
#11 Posted : Monday, February 08, 2010 8:22:33 AM
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Foreign markets (asia, europe, NYSE)down last four days, so NSE? down. They seem to withdraw faster than they return, so market will pick up later than when they do. Waiting for 3pm to see US futures and jioni NYSE closing.

@the deal, they also buy KPLC, Kengen, Equity and KCB in large numbers, i dont think there is a solid correlation other than basic fundamentals in what they buy.
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VituVingiSana
#12 Posted : Monday, February 08, 2010 8:31:31 AM
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@much know - Liquid shares... stuff they can buy in large quantities...
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
the deal
#13 Posted : Monday, February 08, 2010 8:59:54 AM
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@ vvs i think they look at both liquidity and fundamentals...
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#14 Posted : Monday, February 08, 2010 9:05:05 AM
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@the deal - I mean both...

But no matter how good it looks... unless they are a fund willing to wait 3 years (very few)... they want liquidity...
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
guru267
#15 Posted : Monday, February 08, 2010 10:46:25 AM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
@guru - You buy shares on what you expect using technical or fundamental analysis... buying coz foreigners are buying is not the way to go...



@VVS let me elaborate....
i was just saying that these were good buys because simply because of high foreign interest but they(EABL, safcom, and KQ) are also very fundamentally sound to me... ama??
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Much Know
#16 Posted : Tuesday, February 09, 2010 7:32:35 AM
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VVS, i am a bit worried when i hear a Warren Buffet fanatic mention technical analysis. Take the following quotes from him (even though not cited his stance is well known, ok quotes are from wikipedia)

Warren Buffett has said, "I realized technical analysis didn't work when I turned the charts upside down and didn't get a different answer" and "If past history was all there was to the game, the richest people would be librarians."

Anyway, technical analysis looks like a juju man throwing shells and stones to the ground and pointing out a pattern of future events to me, whether juju works or not is a matter of controversy. Even for the short term, other simpler methods of fundamental trading such as stock valuation against expected earnings, results oriented trading, announcements, stock splits or momentum trading makes more sense.

there is what i would call an objective statement on wikipedia on technical analysis
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Te...lysis#Empirical_evidence
Ras Kienyeji Man
guru267
#17 Posted : Tuesday, February 09, 2010 8:13:42 AM
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@much know i def. agree technical analysis without backing from somewhere else is just sophisticated guess work.. it would only work if machines were trading instead human beings

thats why i'm dying to see how @kebayas technical analysis of safcom goes for him Liar
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VituVingiSana
#18 Posted : Tuesday, February 09, 2010 1:52:13 PM
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guru267 wrote:
@VVS let me elaborate....
i was just saying that these were good buys because simply because of high foreign interest

but they(EABL, safcom, and KQ) are also very fundamentally sound to me... ama??

You are scaring me...
The first sounds logical but only if you can get in early. Also it is closer to speculation than investment. I am wary of that approach. I always got in too late & exited too late. Net result: Losses!

The second point I agree. I am not sure of the numbers behind EABL. Safcom at 5.50 is too rich for me at the moment. I want 5 or lower.

KQ is interesting for me. I follow it. I think 50/- is a decent entry point. Not 'cheap' but reasonable since I expect PAT (before hedges) to be 5-7. I prefer the 7/- or higher!
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
VituVingiSana
#19 Posted : Tuesday, February 09, 2010 1:54:20 PM
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Much Know wrote:
VVS, i am a bit worried when i hear a Warren Buffet fanatic mention technical analysis.

@muchknow - Where do I support technical analysis? I do look at it but I prefer the WB way. That said, if the commissions were to drop to really low levels, I might try it! And I agree it is an excuse to gamble...
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
VituVingiSana
#20 Posted : Tuesday, February 09, 2010 1:59:21 PM
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guru267 wrote:
@much know i def. agree technical analysis without backing from somewhere else is just sophisticated guess work.. it would only work if machines were trading instead human beings

thats why i'm dying to see how @kebayas technical analysis of safcom goes for him Liar


Even without technical analysis... I think 5.50 is a little too high for safaricom...
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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